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No Excuses for Oklahoma State's Loss to TCU

December 5, 2020
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Let’s start with the excuses, which on the surface appear significant toward Saturday’s 29-22 Cowboys loss at TCU.

Chuba Hubbard, Shane Illingworth and Alex Hale were unavailable, again, due to injury or illness. Tre Sterling, Rodarius Williams and Tylan Wallace were all lost to injuries during the game. And Teven Jenkins bowed out of the remainder of the season during the week.

Still, no excuse.

Nope.

Not with the defense forcing five turnovers – FIVE – including three in Horned Frogs territory. Not against a mediocre TCU team that shouldn’t have what it takes to overcome such sloppy play. Not for a team that billed itself as a contender, in the Big 12 and beyond, because teams of that ilk find ways to win, even in times of adversity, and especially when those ways are literally handed to them.

OSU won the turnover battle 5-1. And lost.

“It’s a pretty rare game, when you score on defense and get that many turnovers and not be able to find a way to win,” Mike Gundy said afterward.

Not so rare: late-season disappointment, conjuring up another round of what-ifs and could-haves and should-haves.

“It’s never fun losing,” said Cowboys defensive lineman Brock Martin, who provided a highlight with a 40-yard fumble return for a touchdown. “We had the goal of winning the Big 12 championship and all that stuff. But sometimes your goals fall out of your vision.”

When the season started, this OSU team didn’t seem capable of three losses. Now the Cowboys are 6-3 and headed for Baylor’s McLane Stadium, where they’ve never won.

Gone: the chance to play in the Big 12 title game, for all practical purposes, leaving another talented OSU squad on the outside of a first appearance in that event.

Gone: bigger, better bowl game options.

Gone: all that talk about a special season.

“I don’t think we’re the same team we were when we started the first game,” Gundy said, rather sharply, when the lost goals was mentioned in the Saturday postgame. “We’re down six starters on offense from Day 1.

“It’s not fair to say to the team to say we’re the same team. Now, we’re going to compete our asses off. But we’re a different team than when we played Tulsa.”

Sure, that’s true. Injuries are piling up, erasing some of OSU’s premier players from crunch time, if not complete games. TCU took advantage Saturday, picking on the replacements for Williams and Sterling, and packing the box when Wallace left, ironically after having his knee rolled up in the end zone on a 55-yard TD reception.

“I’d sure love to be healthy. I know that,” offensive coordinator Kasey Dunn said. “Hopefully, Tylan is OK.”

Hopefully, for sure. But even if he is OK, will he, should he, return and risk putting his NFL Draft stock in danger? And who else might bail on what’s left of the season?

Brady Pohl missed two field goals and Ben Freehill botched an extra point, costing the Cowboys at least eight points that sure could have come in handy.

Saturday’s game was a mess in many ways.

And the biggest mess seemed to be on TCU’s side, with four lost fumbles and an interception.

But where the Frogs took advantage of OSU’s missing pieces, the Cowboys couldn’t capitalize on TCU’s miscues, scoring but nine following off the takeaways – six on Martin’s scoop and score.

Four of the turnovers occurred in TCU territory, including the final three in the second half. Following those four, the offense totaled 12 yards without a first down.

OSU’s defense, despite all the takeaways, could have played better. Suddenly, big plays have become a problem for the Cowboys, and they were again Saturday. They struggled to corral Frogs quarterback Max Duggan, who ran for 104 yards and two touchdowns, while throwing for 265 and another score more.

“I think at times, you lose your stinger a little bit,” offered defensive coordinator Jim Knowles. “There’s a lot of one-on-one matchups all over the field. Those are situations we’ve been succeeding at…

“I think the last couple games we’ve taken a step back.”

Of course, Knowles’ guys were on the field a lot, and quickly, even after the takeaways. And it’s hard to cover up the loss of Sterling and Williams.

Offensively, the Cowboys missed Hubbard and Wallace, whose absence left Spencer Sanders without his one true weapon in the passing game. And Sanders needed that element in the midst of his own erratic game.

Still, no excuses.

Not with a plus-4 turnover count.

Not against this TCU team.

Not even in the year 2020.

“Disappointments come and go,” Martin said on the lost goals of the season.

At OSU, they seem to come far too frequently.

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No Excuses for Oklahoma State's Loss to TCU

5,520 Views | 11 Replies | Last: 4 yr ago by TUSKAPOKE
Bovine Lad
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"Once I learned how that network (OAN) felt about Black Lives Matter, I was disgusted and knew it was completely unacceptable to me," Gundy said.

"Defund the Police"?

Disgusted!
72Cowboys
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"Let's start with the excuses, which on the surface appear significant toward Saturday's 29-22 Cowboys loss at TCU."

It's not on the surface. It's below the surface. It's deep within.
These players who did not play are the core of the 2020 Cowboys. They are our key players. No excuses, simply a hard reality. I hurt when they hurt. But their hurt is so much more. I love our players and respect them deeply. Hang in there Cowboys! You are our Team!

CaliforniaCowboy
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we're going to have to replace Gundy sooner or later, and with this kowtowing to social media politics over sound football decisions, I've finally moved into the sooner would be better.

Gundy has lost control of the team and lost the faith of the fans, that should say it all.

Bovine Lad
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Gundy is not a championship caliber Head Coach.

BPS, the IPF, and all of the infrastructure is there and most painful of all, pre-BLM and Gundy appeasement, this season, the players were there too. (Nations leading rusher, Nations leading Receiver from 2 years ago, 1st round touted OT, Defense, et al... )

After hearing all the defeatism ("who would we get to replace him" - "he's the best we've ever had" - be content with losing) I seriously question whether or not the Cowboy Nation actually wants a championship caliber football program.

It's OK for the players to opt out but not so with the fans?
Bovine Lad
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Should we consider dropping the Football program?
Bovine Lad
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Someone remind me of how irrelevant and meaningless Bedlam wins should be again?

Remind me of why we should have been rooting for the Gooners in any game?
Bovine Lad
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

we're going to have to replace Gundy sooner or later, and with this kowtowing to social media politics over sound football decisions, I've finally moved into the sooner would be better.

Gundy has lost control of the team and lost the faith of the fans, that should say it all.


With the Nations leading rusher, the Nations leading Receiver from '018, one of the top NFL rated Tackles in the Nation, the '018 Big 12 Offensive Freshman of the Year/1018 Gatorade Texas Player of the Year/Dave Campbell's, Mr Texas Football... with 10 or 11 returning Starters on a Defense that promised to be the best in the Big 12...

did you have the sense that Gundy was dead-set-determined to take all of that plus the Football related gifts that Boone (and others) had bestowed upon him along with that which the University had gifted him...

based upon his rhetoric, his mannerisms, his swagger, and his leadership...

did you have the sense at the onset of the season that Gundy was passionately, tenaciously, and relentlessly determined to not only make the Playoff but to win the National Championship this season?
Bovine Lad
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Bovine Lad said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

we're going to have to replace Gundy sooner or later, and with this kowtowing to social media politics over sound football decisions, I've finally moved into the sooner would be better.

Gundy has lost control of the team and lost the faith of the fans, that should say it all.


With the Nations leading rusher, the Nations leading Receiver from '018, one of the top NFL rated Tackles in the Nation, the '018 Big 12 Offensive Freshman of the Year/1018 Gatorade Texas Player of the Year/Dave Campbell's, Mr Texas Football... with 10 or 11 returning Starters on a Defense that promised to be the best in the Big 12...

did you have the sense that Gundy was dead-set-determined to take all of that plus the Football related gifts that Boone (and others) had bestowed upon him along with that which the University had gifted him...

based upon his rhetoric, his mannerisms, his swagger, and his leadership...

did you have the sense at the onset of the season that Gundy was passionately, tenaciously, and relentlessly determined to not only make the Playoff but to win the National Championship this season?
FWIW, I didn't even have the sense that the dead-set-determination to win the Big 12 was anywhere near his wheelhouse let alone winning the National Title.
CaliforniaCowboy
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I don't know about any of that, but I like Gundy's comments about the stupid COVID shut-down was, and getting the games started, even when idiots like Bowlsly were making goofy statements about no games until a vaccine or some goofy nonsense like that.

TUSKAPOKE
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Grouch.....Is that you?
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Bovine Lad said:

"Once I learned how that network (OAN) felt about Black Lives Matter, I was disgusted and knew it was completely unacceptable to me," Gundy said.

"Defund the Police"?

Disgusted!
BL = Grouch????? Have you been found? Are you here in the new world? If yes, we look forward to your insightful comments.
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