NIL claims it's first Div 1 Basketball team.... so sad

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RodeoPoke
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and of course many of us predicted this would be the fate for many programs (our own included)


NCAA Tournament team dropping to Division III in shocking move

In mid-March the St. Francis (PA) Red Flash had an opportunity to do something every small D-1 college basketball program dreams of: play in an NCAA tournament game. They ended up losing a heartbreaking, 70-68, decision to Alabama State in a First Four game in Dayton. It was still a huge moment for the program and a classic game...


It was also probably the last time at least for the foreseeable future that St. Francis will ever have that opportunity.

Exactly one week later, the program made the shocking announcement on Tuesday that it is dropping from Division I athletics all the way down to Division III.

The primary reason given: The changing college sports landscape that is now being driven by NIL and the transfer portal.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ncaa-tournament-team-dropping-to-division-iii-in-shocking-move/ar-AA1BErcf?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=b6051308b272480ab414a33bb1e25d67&ei=29
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Yes St Francis has a football team and that is driving this change not basketball. It's one of the sad side effects of all this.
RodeoPoke
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NJAggie said:

Yes St Francis has a football team and that is driving this change not basketball. It's one of the sad side effects of all this.


..... if you say so.... they could just drop football and remain D1 ya know, but they didn't, they moved to no scholarships for anybody (isn't that DIII ?). they have 22 athletic programs



The bigger-picture question is if other smaller schools in St. Francis' position will follow a similar path.

The lack of upsets in this year's tournament is already being attributed to the NIL and transfer portal landscape, making it nearly impossible for smaller schools to keep the type of high-end talent who can swing a game and lead to a Cinderella-type run through the tournament.

St. Francis (PA) could just be the tip of the iceberg for what is about to happen in college sports with smaller schools.


and NO CINDERELLA this year is NIL and Basketball, nothing to do with football either.


NIL = bad for many, many, many college athletes.


NJAggie
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NJAggie said:

Yes St Francis has a football team and that is driving this change not basketball. It's one of the sad side effects of all this.
RodeoPoke said:


..... if you say so.... they could just drop football and remain D1 ya know, but they didn't, they moved to no scholarships for anybody (isn't that DIII ?). they have 22 athletic programs



The bigger-picture question is if other smaller schools in St. Francis' position will follow a similar path.

The lack of upsets in this year's tournament is already being attributed to the NIL and transfer portal landscape, making it nearly impossible for smaller schools to keep the type of high-end talent who can swing a game and lead to a Cinderella-type run through the tournament.

St. Francis (PA) could just be the tip of the iceberg for what is about to happen in college sports with smaller schools.


and NO CINDERELLA this year is NIL and Basketball, nothing to do with football either.


NIL = bad for many, many, many college athletes.



I'm saying it because they do, and football is the big load. In fact big article out yesterday from Dellenger touting that the Big East schools may be able to put up to $7M into basketball while the P4 schools are talking $2-4M max.

While low majors like St Francis couldn't do that to begin being competitive in football they'd have to spend more than they could hope to have even at the FCS level. A lot of the mid-major basketball schools were already grandfathered with D1 non-scholarship programs, so they probably won't have to drop.

Also it's no so much about NIL which is felt to have curbs on it in the house settlement, and why the P4 could be hurting in hoops. It's about the revenue sharing. I think we'll see more of the football programs cut or schools deciding to go down to D2 or 3 to keep the program.

It would be ironic to see the guys that brought house or the certified class the settlement was with wind up getting sued by the kids that never got a chance to play ball in college because of their greed.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/college-basketball/article/could-impending-rev-share-changes-help-cinderellas-in-the-future-everybody-will-be-in-the-game-130005097.html
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NJAggie said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-basketball/article/could-impending-rev-share-changes-help-cinderellas-in-the-future-everybody-will-be-in-the-game-130005097.html

yep, there is a lot going on, but articles like that one are mostly conjecture at this point, since none of it is official, and Title IX will wipe out most of what is presented in that article.

The article even inserts it's own "allowance" for the possibility of Title IX implications.

Most power conference athletic directors plan to distribute the funds based on the revenue that a sport generates a way to reward the athletes producing the cash while also providing a legal argument (perhaps a failed one) against any future Title IX lawsuits.



Question: How long after the House ruling is final (if it ever is), will it be before the first Title IX lawsuit is filed?

My guess: Within the first month. Once the schools announce how they plan to share their revenue, then all hell is going to break loose.


Whatever happens, none of this is going to be resolved anytime soon.



While much attention has been paid to what the settlement is; perhaps it is more important to understand what the settlement is not. Notably, the settlement fails to address several key issues that would prevent future lawsuits.

First, the settlement does not address the disparate treatment between male and female athletes with respect to compensation, which could lead to future lawsuits under Title IX, if female athletes are found to be a historically disadvantaged class.[30]

Second, it does not preempt or resolve competing state legislation surrounding NIL.[31] This is problematic because states are becoming increasingly more autonomous in the realm of NIL, sometimes bypassing the NCAA. For example, on September 17, 2024, Georgia Governor Brian Kempt joined the state of Virginia in passing legislation that allows in-school states to pay players directly for their NIL rights without fear of NCAA retribution regardless of whether the settlement is approved.[32]

Additionally, Tennessee and Virginia were granted a preliminary injunction against the NCAA after the NCAA attempted to punish the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, for using NIL as a recruiting tool, which is against NCAA rules.[33] Therefore, due to the settlement's silence on the power dynamic between states and the NCAA, it is likely that states will continue to challenge the constitutionality of NCAA rules in court.

Third, the settlement does not address the recurring issue of whether college athletes are employees of the universities.[34] The idea that member schools and athletes should be treated as an employer-employee relationship has gained traction in recent months.[35] In March 2024, the members of the Dartmouth basketball team voted to unionize following a proclamation by the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) that college athletes are employees and can unionize under the National Labor Rights Act (NLRA).[36][url=https://www.avemarialaw.edu/house-settlement/#_edn36][/url]

https://www.avemarialaw.edu/house-settlement/
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