NCAA Denies Oklahoma State's Appeal, Punishes Program

If Kansas skates, and their violations were much WORSE than ours, then the NCAA is an ILLEGITIMATE ORGANIZATION!!!

NCAA = FUBAR......WHAT EVANS DID WAS WRONG BUT OSU/CURRENT PLAYERS DID NOT BENEFIT ONE IOTA FROM HIS PERSONAL ACTIONS AND WHEN IT CAME TO LIGHT HE WAS FIRED. SINCE OSU IS GETTING CLIPPED, WHAT ABOUT KANSAS AND THE OTHERS? WHAT PUNISHMENT WILL THE BLUE BLOODS GET? WE SHALL SEE. PP ON THE NCAA!!!

And again all the other schools with worse violations will receive the hand slaps we've seen from all the other schools with worse violations than OSU.

those other programs must be getting the death penalty.... this could get very ugly.

Next Step - OSU lawsuit. It's not even illegal for players to have agents now.

Time to lawyer up & take this sham terrorist organization to court.

any attorney's out there, or any folks that have come across an attorney's discussion on this matter.

Do we even have a position that can be litigated in court?

If Pickens were still with us this wouldn't have happened because his check book would bury them.

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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those other programs must be getting the death penalty.... this could get very ugly.

Next Step - OSU lawsuit. It's not even illegal for players to have agents now.

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It appears that the case against Arizona could be worse once decided.... they self-imposed a 1-year post season ban because the charges they are facing could result in 2-5 year ban.

Oklahoma State's case was handled via the standard NCAA resolution track, and Arizona's is among those that were moved to the Independent Accountability Resolution Process, the IARP is still subject to the same penalty guidelines once it classifies and rules on a case.

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/pascoe/oklahoma-states-ncaa-appeal-fails-case-included-key-parallel-to-arizonas-infractions-case/article_7185b06a-3ce1-11ec-83c9-7b7b9ff7a4b8.html

Have Bowlsby contact the other 9 conference commissioners and ask their support and signatures on a letter to Mark Emmert demanding an immediate and accountable response on the unevenness of penalties assessed to the schools involved in the FBI investigation, and consideration to square-up OSUs penalties to those already assessed to other institutions. Further, remind the NCAA that they work for the member institutions and their handling of this situation will be addressed at the upcoming constitutional convention, including their response to this letter.

but they really were not uneven, as has been explained in several articles, and they were also upheld by an independent appeals committee.

is the commish really expected to run around defending every conference member who gets caught cheating? The schools should be able to do that for themselves.

South Carolina is the only one that got less than OSU, and that was already explained as due to the dollar amount being less, and no players were involved. The others already self-imposed post season bans, and their cases are still being reviewed, and penalties yet to be assessed.

Is there more reported someplace that hasn't been brought to light?

just like all of you, I don't think a post season ban was appropriate punishment, but they explained why, and the reasoning was validated in appeals.

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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but they really were not uneven, as has been explained in several articles, and they were also upheld by an independent appeals committee.

is the commish really expected to run around defending every conference member who gets caught cheating? The schools should be able to do that for themselves.

South Carolina is the only one that got less than OSU, and that was already explained as due to the dollar amount being less, and no players were involved. The others already self-imposed post season bans, and their cases are still being reviewed, and penalties yet to be assessed.

Is there more reported someplace that hasn't been brought to light?

just like all of you, I don't think a post season ban was appropriate punishment, but they explained why, and the reasoning was validated in appeals.

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Hence all the outrage, countrywide.

GTFOOH

oh boy.... country-wide outrage now equals facts.

my goodness.

I was able to find the facts, I think you too can look past the cackling goose noise

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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oh boy.... country-wide outrage now equals facts.

my goodness.

I was able to find the facts, I think you too can look past the cackling goose noise

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I'll post 5 articles, comments or tweets expressing outrage for every single legitimate article, comment or tweet expressing the ncaa acted fairly.

Your move big boy.

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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oh boy.... country-wide outrage now equals facts.

my goodness.

I was able to find the facts, I think you too can look past the cackling goose noise

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I'll post 5 articles, comments or tweets expressing outrage for every single legitimate article, comment or tweet expressing the ncaa acted fairly.

Your move big boy.

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no thanks... I'd prefer facts. Articles are self-serving, and based only on clicks. You're welcome to use whatever you prefer and call it fact.

I ALREADY POSTED articles that had actual facts and included some critical thinking (not outrage)

How about reading what I already posted, and commenting on that?

(and enough with the fat jokes, I'm having some health issues)

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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oh boy.... country-wide outrage now equals facts.

my goodness.

I was able to find the facts, I think you too can look past the cackling goose noise

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I'll post 5 articles, comments or tweets expressing outrage for every single legitimate article, comment or tweet expressing the ncaa acted fairly.

Your move big boy.

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no thanks... I'd prefer facts. Articles are self-serving, and based only on clicks. You're welcome to use whatever you prefer and call it fact.

I ALREADY POSTED articles that had actual facts and included some critical thinking (not outrage)

How about reading what I already posted, and commenting on that?

(and enough with the fat jokes, I'm having some health issues)

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Of course you won't participate, it might make you look ridiculous.
I've not seen nor heard one single commentator even suggest the penalties were fair, just, appropriate or well deserved. Not one.

As usual, "you" are the only one with facts. Your nonsensical facts.

Next topic. The sky is blue. What say you?

read it again.. I ALREADY PARTICIPATED.

go read it.

THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND.....I DO NOT LIKE THE CRAP PULLED WITH SANKEY/SEC/ESPN/SHORTHORNS/SEWERNERS BUT I AM ALL FOR SANKEY/SEC/ESPN TAKING THE NCAA DOWN HARD THROUGH FOOTBALL SUCCESSION AND MAKING SURE THE OTHER MAJOR SPORTS ARE NO LONGER SUBJECTED TO INCOMPETENCE, INCONSISTENCY AND VILE DISDAIN FOR CURRENT STUDENT ATHLETES. DID EVANS DO WRONG? YES....ONE COUNT WITH ONE ATHLETE WITH NO FINDINGS THAT OSU HAD ANY INVOLVEMENT/BENEFIT OTHER THAN HE WORKED FOR OSU. OSU IMMEDIATELY FIRED EVANS FOR CAUSE AND PUNISHED THE PLAYER.

SO, AN OSU PROFESSOR COMMITS A CRIME OFF CAMPUS ASSOCIATED WITH ONE OF THE PROF'S STUDENTS. IS OSU HELD CRIMINALLY LIABLE? NO. NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE. MAYBE THERE IS A CIVIL ANGLE...DOUBTFUL. WHEN THE OSU PROFESSOR IS FOUND GUILTY DO THE STUDENTS IN HIS CLASSES, THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND GAINED NOTHING FROM IT, GET PUNISHED? HELL NO! DOES THE PROFESSOR'S BOSS GET PUNISHED? HELL NO! DOES OSU, AS AN INSTITUTION, GET PUNISHED? HELL NO! NUCK THE FCAA!!! GO POKES!!!

I like your thought.......BUT......Bowlsby is up for a role in a local rendition of "The Wizard of Oz" and is auditioning for the part of the lion......Think squid (spineless). Think eunuch (castrated). Think dressed deer hanging up (gutless). No difference. GO POKES!!!

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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read it again.. I ALREADY PARTICIPATED.

go read it.

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Sure you did. Your version of the facts in your bizarre world equals the only meaningful or relevant opinion.

You're so special. Lol

Knock it off. Y'all get so wrapped up in denigrating each other, it detracts from any discussion of any point on every thread. Block each other, or don't. Debate the topic, stop trying to make the other look like an idiot - it only serves as a mirror.

CanadianCowboy said:

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Knock it off. Y'all get so wrapped up in denigrating each other, it detracts from any discussion of any point on every thread. Block each other, or don't. Debate the topic, stop trying to make the other look like an idiot - it only serves as a mirror.

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Thanks. That's exactly what I'm trying to accomplish.... others just want to talk about their outrage.

This ruling is entirely consistent with past actions when the NCAA does not get the cooperation that they need. OSU tried to do what we could, but it wasn't enough.

I'll ask again, since nobody seems to want to address the only issue, what is the NCAA supposed to do when they do not get the cooperation that they need to conduct an investigation? It's not just the NCAA, it's every governing body, you can't lie to the grand jury without additional penalty, you cannot withhold from proceedings without being in contempt of court (for example) and also get additional penalty, etc.

I don't like this one bit, but if we're being honest, there really was never any other recourse for the NCAA. Evans was already off to jail, so why did he not participate with the NCAA investigation?

That's the question. He was already convicted.

The plausible explanation is because there was more and he wanted it to remain covered up. What other conclusions can be drawn?

What penalty would you (any of you) consider to be appropriate for non-cooperation and potential cover up?