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Oklahoma State's Defensive Woes Continue in 37-16 Loss to Kansas

November 5, 2022
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Oklahoma State’s defensive woes continued as the Pokes fall to Kansas on the road, 37-16.

With the loss, the Pokes fall to 6-3 on the season, 3-3 in Big 12 play. Next up is a home game against the Iowa State Cyclones.

The Cowboys have had no success in the Sunflower State the past two weeks, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Backup Jayhawk quarterback Jason Bean and freshman running back Devin Neal had a field day. Bean finished the game going 18-of-23 for 203 yards and two touchdowns, and while he’s not a traditional runner, he posted 93 yards and one touchdown on four carries.

Neal rushed for nearly half his season stats against the Pokes as he posted 224 yards and one touchdown on 32 carries and 110 receiving yards on six catches.

For the game, the Jayhawks combined for 554 total yards, 351 yards on the ground.

In the last two games, the Cowboys have given up 85 points and allowed 1,049 total yards, with 550 yards coming on the ground.

“We’ve got to go back to the drawing board, of course, and see what we did wrong,” Jabbar Muhammad told the Cowboy Radio Network. “I guess there’s some misfits in some places; they’re all good calls, we’ve just got to tackle better and get guys on the ground.”

The first half is where most of the damage was done against the Pokes. True freshman quarterback Garret Rangel threw his first-career interception, hauled in by Cobee Bryant. The Jayhawks marched down the field on the ensuing drive in five plays, capped by a 31-yard touchdown by Neal.

The Cowboys held the Jayhawks to just 10 points in the first quarter, but the Jayhawks posted 159 total yards, 76 coming on the ground. The second quarter was worse as the Jayhawks combined for 173 total yards, 163 of which came on the ground, a combined 239 total yards on the ground in the first half.

Tackling was a big problem for the Pokes throughout the game as multiple Jayhawk scores came on broken and missed tackles.

The second half wasn’t too much better as the Jayhawks posted 222 yards, 112 coming on the ground.

Injuries continue to play a major factor for the Pokes as several Cowboys played injured, with a few having the leave the game for good. Both Tyler Lacy and Trace Ford left the game and didn’t return. Jason Taylor II and Brock Martin both left the game with injuries but returned later in the game.

The Cowboys don’t have much turnaround time to get healthy as they play host to Iowa State next Saturday, Nov. 12. However, hopefully it’s enough time for Derek Mason and his defensive staff to get some things figured out in stopping the run.

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Oklahoma State's Defensive Woes Continue in 37-16 Loss to Kansas

7,158 Views | 28 Replies | Last: 2 yr ago by Pokes4158
AustinCowboy88
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Zach question

Given the LB's on Defense can't seem to get off blocks, any guesses as to why the coaches don't give someone else a shot? That seems strange. Is that Jim Bob's call?
Eclectic
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I was hard on Rangel early, but he stepped up and at least gave me some optimism. He needs time and was allowed a significant amount today. Can only imagine he grows from here. The defense, on the other hand, is in shambles. I have no idea what we're even trying to do, and it's obvious the D staff (or DC) doesn't either. The D is completely lost. If you watch the first series from the past two games, these guys are in a different world. Every play we're just chasing whoever has the ball. No one tries to tackle...it's inexcusable. I don't understand why Mason can't realize they're going to put up 350+ yds rushing on us until we stop them.
Time for some changes!
Ostateman
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We have fallen off a cliff.

Are we so dependent on Spencer Sanders that we can't even fun a fundamental defenss?
Mason is a waste of time. Dunn has been mediocre for too long.
Gundy won't fire anyone.
So, we're going to piss away another chance at a Big 12 Championsnip because of it.

This team is so lost.
I know there are rules, but do we really want to follow them now?
Doug Gosney
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AustinCowboy88
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S/O to Boscov for these stats.

    OSU Defensive Stats through 9 games:
  • Total Defense yds/game: 466.2; 121st/130
  • Passing yds/game: 291.6; 123rd/130
  • Rushing yds/game: 174.7; 99th/130
  • Points allowed/game: 31.8; 111th/130
  • OSU has the worst defense (10th) in the BIG12 collectively regarding those above 4 stats: They're collectively 123rd/130 in the country.
POOBAPOKE
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BASKETBALL SEASON!!!
Elbone65
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I think is time for the Derek Mason experiment to end, clearly he is not up the challenge of being DC, the play on the field is a direct reflection of how players are coached and motivated. I had many doubts when he was hired as DC.
Pokes4158
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Everyone acts like this wasn't coming. I told y'all it was but everyone just wants to turn a blind eye and act like everything is good. We had epic super seniors last year. We had a year where things came together every 10 years or so like usual. What we are seeing now is the usual ok state. We don't recruit great talent. No wonder we can't defend the pass. We recruit kids that are athletes and try to turn them into corners and safeties when we should recruit kids that have played the position at high levels already ya know like the good teams do. We take lineman and try to get em to 300 plus and make em run fast. Their bodies can't handle it it's not natural for them so our o line every single year is banged up. We recruit bottom of the barrel 75 percent of the time. It's no wonder we rely on certain players so heavily most of the time because we don't fill the roster up with enough quality depth. How can another team play a backup qb and destroy us but we can't play a backup lb? Or backup anywhere for that matter. How do we recruit 'cerebral' players at the same time we dumb down our schemes so much but we still can't execute? How long can we put tape on problems? We have to get better talent. Maybe things do need to change but I'm not gonna call for anyone's head. Odd to me tho every year some team with a new coach does what we can never do. I have welcomed myself back to what being an osu fan has always been like. I'll be in my forties 10 years from now when we have another 11 plus win season and I hope it's a championship next time
Pokes4158
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I know it says they respond to fans in the forums when you subscribe but don't count on it. Remember your question and when you can catch a premium chat they do 2-3 times a year then ask the questions.
Joe Khatib
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AustinCowboy88 said:

S/O to Boscov for these stats.

    OSU Defensive Stats through 9 games:
  • Total Defense yds/game: 466.2; 121st/130
  • Passing yds/game: 291.6; 123rd/130
  • Rushing yds/game: 174.7; 99th/130
  • Points allowed/game: 31.8; 111th/130
  • OSU has the worst defense (10th) in the BIG12 collectively regarding those above 4 stats: They're collectively 123rd/130 in the country.

Truth as unfortunate as it may be to admit!!! I don't have a problem with the mistakes because of youth and inexperience, but any lack of effort should not be tolerated one bit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joe Khatib
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Eclectic said:

I was hard on Rangel early, but he stepped up and at least gave me some optimism. He needs time and was allowed a significant amount today. Can only imagine he grows from here. The defense, on the other hand, is in shambles. I have no idea what we're even trying to do, and it's obvious the D staff (or DC) doesn't either. The D is completely lost. If you watch the first series from the past two games, these guys are in a different world. Every play we're just chasing whoever has the ball. No one tries to tackle...it's inexcusable. I don't understand why Mason can't realize they're going to put up 350+ yds rushing on us until we stop them.
Time for some changes!
I remember Mason Rudolph first start in 2014 against Baylor, we lost I think something like 49 -24 to a loaded Briles team, that should have made the CFP playoffs but TCU and Baylor got screwed that year, and actually saw some hope because of his arm and poise even though I believe he threw a couple of interceptions in that game, of course his next start was against OU in Norman and the rest is history! Punt it again Bob!!!
Elbone65
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I don't have delusional thoughts of national championships, the Big 12 was there for the taking last year and terrible coaching managed to let slip away on 4 awful called plays.
The truth is that 85 to 16 in the last two games is an absolute disaster.
I am certainly not a coach and I assume people that get paid big money know better, but from the outside looking in and as a die hard fan the product on the field the last two games has been terrible, these are just kids with tremendous talent that need to be coached properly, in my humble opinion in college football a bad team is a direct reflection of poor coaching. I wish OSU football didn't played such huge part on my mental health LOL
CaliforniaCowboy
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We should get Sanders back and win out.... Alamo here we come!!!

Should have put Gunnar in after the 2nd int.... we were still in the game at that point, and might have been able to pull it out, but not with the additional TOs.

With Sanders in we don't have those TOs and win the game.

The headline is focused on defense, but clearly we're not going to beat anybody scoring ZERO and then following it up with only 16. The defensive stats that everybody is waving around are badly skewed by our sudden offensive woes, IMHO.

Pokes4158
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Lol yeah for me it's so up and down failure for the boys isn't to hard on the mental health because it's expected. O don't see us making any changes that will ultimately take us to the next level. So I'm prepared for the usual 8-10 win years occasionally worse than that but sometimes better lol we keep doing what we do and it'll keep going the same. It's clear to me tho we don't have the horses on a regular basis to be anything more than what we have been under Gundy
CaliforniaCowboy
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CowboyRed said:

Lol yeah for me it's so up and down failure for the boys isn't to hard on the mental health because it's expected. O don't see us making any changes that will ultimately take us to the next level. So I'm prepared for the usual 8-10 win years occasionally worse than that but sometimes better lol we keep doing what we do and it'll keep going the same. It's clear to me tho we don't have the horses on a regular basis to be anything more than what we have been under Gundy
the sky is falling, the sky is falling..... don't look now but Bama keeps taking it on the chin... sometimes doing the same things over and over (like getting #1 recruiting classes and multiple playoff appearances) still gets you down seasons.

go figure.

whoa is me, everybody feel sorry for Pokes fans, because we're just sorry Poke fans.... SMH
Pokes4158
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I'm not even close to sure what point you tried to make there. We shouldn't want to be better at recruiting cuz we could end up like Bama and not win it all sometimes?
Pokes4158
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Or are you saying it's ok to keep doing what we have been doing and getting the results we get?
CaliforniaCowboy
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CowboyRed said:

I'm not even close to sure what point you tried to make there. We shouldn't want to be better at recruiting cuz we could end up like Bama and not win it all sometimes?
something like that... .(some people are never happy),,, or like LSU, or like Texas, or like Ped State, or any of the rest that get top classes and continually fail to reach expectations.

I already proposed hitting the portal to collect the 5-star kids bailing from Bama, UGA and other programs, but you poo-poo'ed the thought of improving our fate with your 5 star kids, instead insisting that our only path forward was to keep failing to get your 5-star high school kids, and achieve some unknown fictitious "team ranking" that might make YOU happy.

I dunno pal, you seem to be a one trick pony, the only solution that you will accept is getting high school kids that the media tells you might be good, which has never really worked for OSU.

Your approach constantly telling everybody that you think our team is bad, our players are bad, our recruiting is bad, our coach is bad, and the ONLY solution is to do something that OSU have never ever done (and will likely never ever do).

It's just frustrating to listing to your repetitive whine and impossible solution.

All of us would like to see the team more successful, but in my 40 years of being a Cowboy fan, whining about it never seemed to help.
Pokes4158
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That's all incorrect. Call it what you want whining or whatever I called it my honest opinion. People label things they don't understand. We can't land 5 star portal kids so that option won't work. I also love Gundy and don't recall saying anything about the coaching being bad or whatever you're trying to say. I have been saying our talent isn't Good enough for a long time yes. I'll take that for sure because I do believe that. Lastly you don't have to read it. Ignore me like your buddy does. If it's really an issue then ignore me. You post crap all the time and most of us don't like it so I've learned not to pay attention to it unless you tag me specifically. It's not to hard really.
CaliforniaCowboy
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CowboyRed said:

That's all incorrect. Call it what you want whining or whatever I called it my honest opinion. People label things they don't understand. We can't land 5 star portal kids so that option won't work. I also love Gundy and don't recall saying anything about the coaching being bad or whatever you're trying to say. I have been saying our talent isn't Good enough for a long time yes. I'll take that for sure because I do believe that. Lastly you don't have to read it. Ignore me like your buddy does. If it's really an issue then ignore me. You post crap all the time and most of us don't like it so I've learned not to pay attention to it unless you tag me specifically. It's not to hard really.
I'm gonna move on to another topic. I call what I said an honest opinion, so either we both have honest opinions, or somebody is a liar, right? So what, it's your opinion.... we've all heard it, saying it over and over and over is simply annoying.

"People label things", I do not, which is why I shun discussions of star rankings.

You seem to know everything... what will work and what wont's work (we can't land 5 star portal kids).

I don't have any board buddies, or clicks, and I do not put people on ignore, which I consider to be a sophomoric solution

Me 'posting crap', is your opinion, and perhaps it's true, but that's not the point. The point is you saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over, and over and over and over and over.

Pokes4158
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Don't read it then.
CaliforniaCowboy
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CowboyRed said:

Don't read it then.
post a solution instead of just whining. we all have feelings just like you, but most of us have learned how to contain them and post constructive information
Pokes4158
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Most of us not being you. You are quite literally whining as we speak about not liking what I post on a forum that quite literally doesn't mean ***** I put my opinions on here whether people like em or not quite literally like everyone else does. Again if you don't like something ignore it.
CaliforniaCowboy
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CowboyRed said:

Most of us not being you. You are quite literally whining as we speak about not liking what I post on a forum that quite literally doesn't mean ***** I put my opinions on here whether people like em or not quite literally like everyone else does. Again if you don't like something ignore it.
stick to the the topic.... this is about saying the same thing in every post, over and over ad nauseum.

it is not about having opinions and posting opinions.

it is like going to a party, or a dinner or some other gathering and there is some dude over crying uncontrollably in the corner draining all of the energy out of the room.

It doesn't matter where we go, or what we do, or what we talk about, they same guy is over unconsolably crying in the corner, wailing into a crescendo to drown out others that won't cry with him.

This is not about opinions, it's about the guy constantly crying in the corner draining all the energy from the room.

Pokes4158
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That guy would be you cali
POOBAPOKE
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When Stephon Johnson Jr. caught his TD pass, he was staring at me and my group. I said, "I see you 6! I see you." My group wore orange, drove 5 hours, cheered loudly, stayed the whole game, drove 5 more hours home. We did our part. We showed up and showed out. I'll continue to do my part. Support our student athletes with positives and we will all be better in the long run. Maybe I'm delusional. Luckily, I'm an alum and not going anywhere. Loyal and True! GO POKES!
Joe Khatib
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Aww now give him/her/it a break Cali, those Sooners despite a neatly 100 yard more advantage in total yards allowed Bylor to run over the defense and choke in the end to lose 38-35! LOLOL!
Pokes4158
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This is the post here. I was talking to another guy and you chimed in. So there ya go. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone fair deal?
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