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Another Losing Review: Quarterback and Offense not the Major Story, Defense Was

November 6, 2022
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LAWRENCE, Kansas – The long day started with the quarterback decision, but it ended with a 37-16 loss that really wasn’t about the quarterback and was much more about a defense that is all of a sudden beyond bad halves and giving up record breaking yards on the ground to opposing offenses.

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Another Losing Review: Quarterback and Offense not the Major Story, Defense Was

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Joe Khatib
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What the heck has happened the last two weeks to our front seven on D Robert?
Eclectic
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Leadership is what happened. I'm tired of hearing "but we're young". Oliver was a freshman last year. Big 12 defensive freshman of the year! Pre-season all American! Did he just fall off a cliff, or what has happened this year? I'm sorry to be so negative, but our D can't even accomplish the basics. Regardless of youth, that should be the first expectation, however, it obviously isn't. Perhaps Mason has took a HC job and just isn't focused, idk...but it starts with him.
Roughrider
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If we had a Time Machine, I'm sure Weiberg goes back in time and pays Knowles to stay.
eecowboy
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Wait. What?

Are you telling us that OSU didn't play its true more experienced backup QB because there was concern of social media backlash, ugly opinions, and the chances of winning were slim? Are you serious? No, seriously RA, are you serious?

If that's true, and HCMG played Rangel to spare himself, and his son, from the negative comments and ugly opinions on social media from a tough outing, (per your other excellent article on the injury situation, clearly tough sledding, but still …) and then what happened, actually happened, is flat-out weak. Unreal.

That being said, Rangel is NOW the back up QB.

He went out there and competed his ass off, took hits, stayed in the pocket and made some throws. And as you said in paragraph 3 - "little experienced Gunnar Gundy" can now stay on the bench, because even less experienced Garret Rangel (true freshman who didn't grey-shirt with more than 2years removed from high school) took the field and led the team. He's the backup now. No more talk of Gunnar Gundy playing unless 1&2 are injured.

Wow. Unbelievable. No wonder the team looked the way they looked if this type of mentality permeated throughout the team.

Whoa … didn't expect to read we didn't play our best in order to fade the heat. But thank you for the honesty.

We get to play another team this week with a coaching staff that runs laps around ours. Nice.

Let's beat Iowa State.

Go Cowboys!!
Joe Khatib
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eecowboy said:

Wait. What?

Are you telling us that OSU didn't play its true more experienced backup QB because there was concern of social media backlash, ugly opinions, and the chances of winning were slim? Are you serious? No, seriously RA, are you serious?

If that's true, and HCMG played Rangel to spare himself, and his son, from the negative comments and ugly opinions on social media from a tough outing, (per your other excellent article on the injury situation, clearly tough sledding, but still …) and then what happened, actually happened, is flat-out weak. Unreal.

That being said, Rangel is NOW the back up QB.

He went out there and competed his ass off, took hits, stayed in the pocket and made some throws. And as you said in paragraph 3 - "little experienced Gunnar Gundy" can now stay on the bench, because even less experienced Garret Rangel (true freshman who didn't grey-shirt with more than 2years removed from high school) took the field and led the team. He's the backup now. No more talk of Gunnar Gundy playing unless 1&2 are injured.

Wow. Unbelievable. No wonder the team looked the way they looked if this type of mentality permeated throughout the team.

Whoa … didn't expect to read we didn't play our best in order to fade the heat. But thank you for the honesty.

We get to play another team this week with a coaching staff that runs laps around ours. Nice.

Let's beat Iowa State.

Go Cowboys!!
There is a reason Rangel was a 4 star QB coming out of Frisco! He is as you say the backup Quarterback because of his arm which despite the three interceptions is pretty impressive!!!
Joe Khatib
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Roughrider said:

If we had a Time Machine, I'm sure Weiberg goes back in time and pays Knowles to stay.
They offered Knowles up to $1.5 million but he couldn't turn down the nearly $2 million that Ohio State offered!!!
NorthDFWPoke
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Staff
If Gunnar is better he should play. Have to believe RA is over stating the importance of public opinion.
CaliforniaCowboy
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Joe Khatib said:


There is a reason Rangel was a 4 star QB coming out of Frisco! He is as you say the backup Quarterback because of his arm which despite the three interceptions is pretty impressive!!!
Sanders was a 4 star QB and he couldn't beat out Corndog
Illingworth was a 4 star QB
Kolar was a 4 star QB
Rudolph was a 4 star QB and Gundy wouldn't play him until he ran out of QBs
Lunt was a 4 star QB

4 stars does not guarantee you much.

Gunnar seems to be more prepared to lead the team.
gary121853
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Yet another bad mood Monday morning!

RA, pass this idea along?

Since Gundy has achieved so much recognition for his innovative 'practice routines' here's one for him: Take 1 full week of Spring Practice...layout 10 full wrestling mats in Sherman Smith ...issue open invite to every HS wrestler above 150 to come and wrestle/teach every defensive/special team player wrestling techniques...simulated from FB perpective ...i bet they would be amazed how quickly players would lock into it...clearly the tackling practice techniques being used now AINT' working for Coach Gundy ...Coach Mason ...
Kendal Daniels and others? They got a choice.. learn to do an Arm-Drag running full speed OR for love of god learn to tackle below the waist ...off to see my therapist ...
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CaliforniaCowboy
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oh boy.... let's waste valuable football learning time trying to teach some kids to wrestle...

BRILLIANT !!!

How about a week dedicated to tackling
Joe Khatib
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Yes, correct but TALENT AND ABILITY play a major role and obviously Garret showed that in the Coaches opinion!
Joe Khatib
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Eddie always brought out the football pads and helmets during the Christmas period right before conference play because he wanted toughness out of his basketball team!!!
# old 56
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Gunnar is a walk on and Garret is a desirved 4 star. Garret should have been playing more all season. Th O line is over weight. They fall down and hurt them selves. They can't get out to make blocks. Since when is signing a weight lifting coach more important than signing the best D.C. in the game. Sign me out as "sick of sucking".
CaliforniaCowboy
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Joe Khatib said:

Yes, correct but TALENT AND ABILITY play a major role and obviously Garret showed that in the Coaches opinion!
hmm... the Gundy quote that I read said, I guess some suggested that Garret be pulled after the 2nd int, but you just can't do that... well, you can do it, but I don't do that......

suggesting, IMO, that the ego of a freshman QB is too frail to be faced with his own failure...

I believe that Gundy is too worried about public opinion, vis a vie his son, and wanted to give the other kid a shot, just to shut down the criticism. I was damned sure yelling at the TV to put in Gunnar after the 2nd freaking int.

should have put in Gunnar.
CaliforniaCowboy
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# old 56 said:

Gunnar is a walk on and Garret is a desirved 4 star. Garret should have been playing more all season. Th O line is over weight. They fall down and hurt them selves. They can't get out to make blocks. Since when is signing a weight lifting coach more important than signing the best D.C. in the game. Sign me out as "sick of sucking".
LOL, Corndog was a walkon before he started over Sanders.... perhaps you should come up for air, I'm pretty sure nobody is "falling down" and hurting themselves, more likely getting pushed on by 300lb defenders, and having other guys hit their legs as they fall.
CaliforniaCowboy
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Joe Khatib said:

Eddie always brought out the football pads and helmets during the Christmas period right before conference play because he wanted toughness out of his basketball team!!!
I think Eddie only ever did that once, maybe twice, and meshing sports could work in that scenario, but not all the football team needs to know how to tackle (e.g., the offense), and there are too many guys on defense/special teams to try to teach wrestling moves to, if our coaches could even do that.

what do you do with the other 50 players standing around for a week, and the coaches standing around who don't know how to teach wrestling, and why not just teach them to tackle?

maybe one afternoon have Coach Smith or someone come out and teach leverage, but a week? when you only have 3 to work with?
NJAggie
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# old 56 said:

Gunnar is a walk on and Garret is a desirved 4 star. Garret should have been playing more all season. Th O line is over weight. They fall down and hurt them selves. They can't get out to make blocks. Since when is signing a weight lifting coach more important than signing the best D.C. in the game. Sign me out as "sick of sucking".
Gunnar is a walk on because that benefits the team. Had he not been Mike Gundy's son he'd have been recruited and a high 3 or 4 star level. Since no one really offered he didn't get rated.
gary121853
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

Joe Khatib said:

Eddie always brought out the football pads and helmets during the Christmas period right before conference play because he wanted toughness out of his basketball team!!!
I think Eddie only ever did that once, maybe twice, and meshing sports could work in that scenario, but not all the football team needs to know how to tackle (e.g., the offense), and there are too many guys on defense/special teams to try to teach wrestling moves to, if our coaches could even do that.

what do you do with the other 50 players standing around for a week, and the coaches standing around who don't know how to teach wrestling, and why not just teach them to tackle?

maybe one afternoon have Coach Smith or someone come out and teach leverage, but a week? when you only have 3 to work with?


Cali....pretty clear you have never wrestled nor have the power to visualized ...
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CaliforniaCowboy
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gary121853 said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

Joe Khatib said:

Eddie always brought out the football pads and helmets during the Christmas period right before conference play because he wanted toughness out of his basketball team!!!
I think Eddie only ever did that once, maybe twice, and meshing sports could work in that scenario, but not all the football team needs to know how to tackle (e.g., the offense), and there are too many guys on defense/special teams to try to teach wrestling moves to, if our coaches could even do that.

what do you do with the other 50 players standing around for a week, and the coaches standing around who don't know how to teach wrestling, and why not just teach them to tackle?

maybe one afternoon have Coach Smith or someone come out and teach leverage, but a week? when you only have 3 to work with?


Cali....pretty clear you have never wrestled nor have the power to visualized ...
it's not about me, leave me out of it. If you like your idea, talk about your idea, don't talk about me and what I may or may not have done, you have no idea about me.

stick to your idea, promote that.
PaloDuroPoke
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It's simple comprehension. Rangel beat Gunner out in practice. The whole social medial crap is just that. Sorry RA it just is. Coach was right to not pull the freshman after his interceptions. One wasn't his fault and look how he played after. There is obvious talent in that kid and he needs experience. Get a dad gum defense that can be in the right position and finish or let's start letting some more youth gain experience. There is an obvious lack of leadership and fight in this bunch. I'd give them the first quarter to start proving it or bring on the future. I'd start with linebackers. They have not improved all year. I understand there's injuries but good lord the effort is horrible on d. Some have given up.
Pokes4158
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Hey so you can see I was correct without arguing I said the portal won't be an option for us and I was right again. Gundy again said today he is not a portal guy and probably won't be so there goes your 5 start Bama transfers idea
Ok_state_fan78
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The WR's need more critique than the QB. If 6 catches the pass inside the 10, which was right in his hands, the first int. doesn't happen. And, the tipped ball int. was PI or D holding. He played well running for his life 1/2 the time. The OL is just bad and the receivers are dropping too many passes and not getting enough separation. The D looks like it is lost most the time. They played the right QB. I do not buy the Gundy would have got a bunch of offers.....
CaliforniaCowboy
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CowboyRed said:

Hey so you can see I was correct without arguing I said the portal won't be an option for us and I was right again. Gundy again said today he is not a portal guy and probably won't be so there goes your 5 start Bama transfers idea
first off, you are never right, so let's get past that.

second I said what needs to happen to improve our fate, not what Gundy would do.

you didn't ask what Gundy would do, you asked how recruiting could be improved.

Gundy did not say that he would not use the portal, did he? Of course not. He takes a lot of kids from the portal... those kids might as well be 4-5 star kids, and he can still bring in his 3 star freshmen and develop them

go fight with somebody else
Pokes4158
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Not here to fight just pointing out you were wrong. We won't be a big portal team so looks like high school kids is where it's at like I said. So we have to make sure we recruit better high school kids to develop.
CaliforniaCowboy
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CowboyRed said:

Not here to fight just pointing out you were wrong. We won't be a big portal team so looks like high school kids is where it's at like I said. So we have to make sure we recruit better high school kids to develop.
Your whole post is about fighting. Proving someone wrong. I suggest you find something else to do with your time if you are only here to prove yourself right and others wrong.

This is about sharing opinions, not trying to prove anything. You can't prove anything on a message board.

I never ever said to be a "big portal team", I said it was my opinion to focus on high value kids there, since we can't get them the conventional way... and that is still my opinion, so therefore I could not possibly be wrong, it is my opinion.

you really need to find something more constructive to do with your time, if your objective is to attack others to prove something. QED
Pokes4158
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lol I just like baiting you because you always take it. I told you I would ignore you but you insisted on still taggin me so now I'm back to giving you crap because you won't leave me alone
CaliforniaCowboy
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CowboyRed said:

lol I just like baiting you because you always take it. I told you I would ignore you but you insisted on still taggin me so now I'm back to giving you crap because you won't leave me alone
nope..... I was talking with Joe and Gary in this thread when YOU TAGGED ME for no reason, trying to "prove me wrong"

you started it, don't try dumping your crap on me.

have a nice day
Pokes4158
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I'm talking about a different post my boy. You know you tagged me the other day. You're a straight up liar lol
CaliforniaCowboy
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CowboyRed said:

I'm talking about a different post my boy. You know you tagged me the other day. You're a straight up liar lol
now I'm "your boy"? how insulting.

why not my friend, or my colleague, or my fellow cowboy fan?

why are you posting in this thread about something from another day and another thread? I did not lie, I did not tag you in this thread, which is exactly what I said.

quit trying to start a fight with me.

I'm not interested in what you think of me or of my opinions.

If you have something to say about the team, then say it, just leave me out of it. You do not know me.
Pokes4158
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My boy was meant as an insult. Glad you picked that up. I wouldn't refer to you as anything that carried respect because you don't deserve it.
CaliforniaCowboy
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CowboyRed said:

My boy was meant as an insult. Glad you picked that up. I wouldn't refer to you as anything that carried respect because you don't deserve it.
come on mods....this guy just flat out he admitted he's intentionally insulting others

what kind of a board are we gonna have here? I did nothing to this guy or any of the others to have you guys allow them to treat me or others in this manner.

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