Trying to Make Sense of This as Two More Oklahoma State Players Go Portal

Yup, NIL is the damn scourge of collegiate sports, you can thank NIL for playing the major role in Cobb, Muhammad, Sanders, Richardson and now Greene heading to the portal! The others were looking for more opportunities for playing time and a couple, I will be frank here, were told they needed to move on!

eddy.mcdaniels said:

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Really glad Gundy spent time and energy teeing off on that reporter though. Really the type of things he should be focused on.

That or it's a symptom of the larger cultural rot Gundy has built as a whole.

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Ok Drama Queen, Ask Brock Martin, Brendan Evers, Malcolm Rodriguez, Christian Holmes, Devin Harper, Kolby Harrell-Peel, Jaylon Warren, Danny Godlevske, Tay Martin and I could go on and on about cultural rot!!! This program helped put a lot of these guys in the NFL!

Crazed_Stallion said:

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Fire Mike Gundy. This is embarrassing. They are leaving because the old man won't adapt to anything.

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and replace him with whom? Josh Henson? HA!

Dumb statement. Yeah those 30 seconds should've been spent recruiting current players to stay. You got it. Problem solved!

RA - can you provide a level set of our receivers right now? As of this morning? Realize changes are happening fast and furious. Current players, portal, and high school signees. Trying to find some positive angle, hopefully this opens up playing time and targets for Johnson and Shettron and encourages them to stay. Thanks.

We're officially in a new era of college football (sports). A coaching staff (and program) is only as good as your NIL funding. And even then, the only way (legally) a player currently receiving NIL $$$ can find out if even more NIL $$$ are available is to enter the portal. This is an impossible situation for a quality program, with quality coaches, facilities and player amenities to consistently field a competitive team without a top-tier, well funded well organized NIL program.

And as a side note, no player will receive my gratitude for playing FOR the university until if and when that player finishes his collegiate career as a Cowboy. Then, and only then, can a player claim to show a commitment to his teammates, coaches and school that committed to him.

Doug Gosney said:

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RA - can you provide a level set of our receivers right now? As of this morning? Realize changes are happening fast and furious. Current players, portal, and high school signees. Trying to find some positive angle, hopefully this opens up playing time and targets for Johnson and Shettron and encourages them to stay. Thanks.

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WSU Tranfer
Shatterton / Johnson
Presley - he will be in the portal i have a feeling
Bray
Gilkey

I have to laugh at some of our fans. Gundys biggest weakness is his loyalty. He has let his decisions about staff linger to long and it's causing issues. He needs to act now. Transfer portal and NIL has changed the game. Results in recruiting and performance needs to be all that matters in accountability for his assistants. Coaches are dealing with selfish kids. Sorry to break it to you but the world is SELFISH. I supervise over 80 professional employees and all we do is recruit and hire. Turnover is incredible everywhere. It's a new day in everything. Most people aren't interested in loyalty or the name of your brand. It's all about attention and selfishness. That's the adjustment that needs to be made. Expect losses every year and coaches most important job next to getting them ready to play, is finding talent in the portal. Development of young players is taking a hit. Free agency in college sports is the new recruiting focus.

Crazed_Stallion said:

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Fire Mike Gundy. This is embarrassing. They are leaving because the old man won't adapt to anything.

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Like what, Zero boy?

Thanks. Good players, but depth getting a little thin. Hopefully more time and targets for them provide a reason for them to stay.

Somebody younger and hungry to win.

PaloDuroPoke said:

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I have to laugh at some of our fans. Gundys biggest weakness is his loyalty. He has let his decisions about staff linger to long and it's causing issues. He needs to act now. Transfer portal and NIL has changed the game. Results in recruiting and performance needs to be all that matters in accountability for his assistants. Coaches are dealing with selfish kids. Sorry to break it to you but the world is SELFISH. I supervise over 80 professional employees and all we do is recruit and hire. Turnover is incredible everywhere. It's a new day in everything. Most people aren't interested in loyalty or the name of your brand. It's all about attention and selfishness. That's the adjustment that needs to be made. Expect losses every year and coaches most important job next to getting them ready to play, is finding talent in the portal. Development of young players is taking a hit. Free agency in college sports is the new recruiting focus.

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Most important job is finding talent in the portal? That part is easy. But what good is an offer to a player in the portal without commensurate NIL$$$?

Talent acquisition and retention is no longer the sole responsibility of the coaching staff. It's quickly getting to the point where the responsibility of the coaches stops at talent identification. Acquisition and retention responsibility lies with the NIL folks.

Decisions made on staff and transfers in the coming weeks will be vitally important to our near future. Culture is important but won't be our life blood going forward. It's time for Gundy to roll up his sleeves and compete in a different way and the focus has to be results or we could very well have seen our best days. I'm not ready to throw in the towel by any means. There is a lot of talent here but QB has to be priority no matter what it cost. D-line and receiving crew depth is now a concern.

True but places like A&M have all the money in the world and have lost more than anyone. Just win and people will be happy if they are playing. The vast majority of kids aren't getting paydays. They want to play. Our wr group is a great example. We had great depth and continue to recruit. Kids are going to leave. There are just so many starters on the field at one time.

PaloDuroPoke said:

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Decisions made on staff and transfers in the coming weeks will be vitally important to our near future. Culture is important but won't be our life blood going forward. It's time for Gundy to roll up his sleeves and compete in a different way and the focus has to be results or we could very well have seen our best days. I'm not ready to throw in the towel by any means. There is a lot of talent here but QB has to be priority no matter what it cost. D-line and receiving crew depth is now a concern.

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Have no idea what you're talking about. Results has always been the focus. It is for every coach. It's the only path to getting paid.

PaloDuroPoke said:

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True but places like A&M have all the money in the world and have lost more than anyone. Just win and people will be happy if they are playing. The vast majority of kids aren't getting paydays. They want to play. Our wr group is a great example. We had great depth and continue to recruit. Kids are going to leave. There are just so many starters on the field at one time.

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Starters don't leave to get more playing time. And it's losing starters that kills your starting quality and depth.

As for aTm, they had too many 4&5 stars that had yet to get meaningful PT. Combine that with the opportunity to get even more NIL$$$, and the result is portal bingo.

If results mattered we wouldn't have seen the **** show on offense the last several years. Our online has been an issue in recruiting and performance for a long time. Our offense has struggle the last several years. There has to be accountability if you want to stay where you are. This game has turned into the NFL. My preference is to go back to the old ways and recruit good kids, develop them, and build a culture where they want to work hard and play when they get their chance. That time has passed. It's a different game.

I am very concerned. NIL or bad coaching or whatever the cause, we need to fix it yesterday.

You just made my point. Too many 4-5 stars and most are freshmen that didn't want to wait. JP is leaving as a starter for mor opportunity. He wants to be the man according to this article. You can have all the money in the world and people will still leave and you still might lose 7 games. Hello A&M.

PaloDuroPoke said:

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If results mattered we wouldn't have seen the **** show on offense the last several years. Our online has been an issue in recruiting and performance for a long time. Our offense has struggle the last several years. There has to be accountability if you want to stay where you are. This game has turned into the NFL. My preference is to go back to the old ways and recruit good kids, develop them, and build a culture where they want to work hard and play when they get their chance. That time has passed. It's a different game.

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Results (for the HC) = Ws. Not recruiting ranking. Not statistical ranking. Just Ws. As for assistant coaches, their results are what the HC establishes for each. And while many fans think they know, I'm not going to be the one to assume and state whether any particular assistant has failed to meet expectations to the extent it warrants a change. I have faith Gundy is 1 million times more equipped to make that decision than me or any other fan.

PaloDuroPoke said:

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You just made my point. Too many 4-5 stars and most are freshmen that didn't want to wait. JP is leaving as a starter for mor opportunity. He wants to be the man according to this article. You can have all the money in the world and people will still leave and you still might lose 7 games. Hello A&M.

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College athletes are really no different than pro athletes. Absolute $$$ may not drive the decision, but the highest offer indicates who "wants them" the most. It's an ego thing. Also within the "ego" realm is 3 star athletes getting an opportunity to play for a 4 or 5 star program that didn't initially recruit them.

Yep, egos are big, and some want to be the feature whatever, and can't understand why they're not. We've seen several of those in this out bound group. Kids think they'll find a place that will showcase them more and they'll get an NFL shot because of it. The money is really driving so much of this its scary.

Except only 1 of those players is actually playing in the NFL.

Presley, johnson, Shetron all leaving.

okstate819 said:

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Guys, Mike Gundy has lost the locker room. That's what's happening. This has nothing to do with Dunn

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he lost the locker room when he bowed down to Chubba and kissed his but..

He needed to stand up then and demonstrate who was in charge....

..... I suppose Boynton "lost the locker room" last year when half the team bolted for the portal, but seemingly we may actually be better with addition through subtraction.

besides, it's his locker room to lose.... "lost the locker room"... SMH

Hmm? Well we are many months away from 2023 season and already feels like its going to be a very long one for us OSU fans.
While the rest of the Big 12 is getting stronger (i.e. Kansas) OSU just keeps loosing players on a daily basis. Clearly something is definitely wrong within the program, culture, coaching who knows, but something definitely has to change very soon if OSU hopes to at the very least be competitive in 2023, as the team looks right now I wouldn't bet against Central Arkansas or South Alabama this year LOL

okstate819 said:

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Tell me you dont understand the modern college football player without telling me.... Show who's in charge? CMON. Mike isint a people person. He doesnt connect with the players, doesnt understand them and doesnt care. He just wants to be the toast of Stillwater and get the credit when things go well. Then run and hide from difficult questions at every turn when things are going bad. Why wait until after next years 4-8 season to fire the man. Get on with it.

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nonsense. You have no evidence of any of that.

Simple mindless Poke bashing.

I get it though, you know what I think, you know what Coach Gundy thinks, you know what he cares about, you have all the answers.... I get it. SMH. good lord.

okstate819 said:

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Anyone who's paying attention to basic facts for the last several years without America's brightest orange tinted glasses on can see what's going on. Mike has openly said he's not a people person, doesn't communicate with players about important decisions, only sees his assistant coaches twice a week.... i could go on

He's the first guy running for a pay raise after we have one season where expectations are met (not exceeded) and yet snipes at perfectly reasonable questions and is in a "bad mood" at any time when were not winning and the press isn't waving palm palms at the press conference.

Mike has to change to significantly to win in this era where players have flexibility. I see no evidence he will.

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yeah, that's the answer. I call BS on your libelous statements so automatically it's me that is not "paying attention"... who apparently can't see "basic facts".

I like Mike and his approach, yours, not so much. It's time for the feckless woke AD and token woman placeholders to move on and turn this whole university over to Gundy.

Mike needs to do whatever he feels like doing, and live with the consequences... like playing for a conf championship just last year.

the Pokes bashers have been laying in wait during our success, just to pounce and demand change after just one injury plagued WINNING season, and another post season bowl.

Gundy is a man, he's 52, he can push the inconsiderate media around all he wants, and we should cheer him for it.

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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okstate819 said:

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Anyone who's paying attention to basic facts for the last several years without America's brightest orange tinted glasses on can see what's going on. Mike has openly said he's not a people person, doesn't communicate with players about important decisions, only sees his assistant coaches twice a week.... i could go on

He's the first guy running for a pay raise after we have one season where expectations are met (not exceeded) and yet snipes at perfectly reasonable questions and is in a "bad mood" at any time when were not winning and the press isn't waving palm palms at the press conference.

Mike has to change to significantly to win in this era where players have flexibility. I see no evidence he will.

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yeah, that's the answer. I call BS on your libelous statements so automatically it's me that is not "paying attention"... who apparently can't see "basic facts".

I like Mike and his approach, yours, not so much. It's time for the feckless woke AD and token woman placeholders to move on and turn this whole university over to Gundy.

Mike needs to do whatever he feels like doing, and live with the consequences... like playing for a conf championship just last year.

the Pokes bashers have been laying in wait during our success, just to pounce and demand change after just one injury plagued WINNING season, and another post season bowl.

Gundy is a man, he's 52, he can push the inconsiderate media around all he wants, and we should cheer him for it.

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Usually, I don't like your angle or agree with you much, BUT I 100% support this statement.

With a little bit of luck, back to back Conf titles and 2 possible CFP appearances.

These "woke" and entitled players and people can go elsewhere!

Unfortunately, this is a new Era of CFB and we are behind.