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Oklahoma State AD Chad Weiberg Talks Big 12, Future, and Commish Brett Yormark

February 16, 2023
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STILLWATER – If you did not catch it either in the broadcast of the Oklahoma State hoops game and loss to Kansas on Tuesday night or you weren’t sitting inside Gallagher-Iba Arena to see in person the Big 12 Commissioner Brett Yormark, the vibrant leader of the league was in the house. Yormark enjoyed the show, he always likes a big show and it was that. He spent time with Oklahoma State President Dr. Kayse Shrum. The two have a mutual admiration society.

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Oklahoma State AD Chad Weiberg Talks Big 12, Future, and Commish Brett Yormark

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6:39p, 2/16/23
With USC and UCLA going to B1G, and we take four schools, the PAC collapses. If that's the case I think we want Oregon , Washington, ASU, and CU.
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6:41p, 2/16/23
I have to give him credit, his first Coaching hire has been a home run! Jacie Hoyt is a Hell of a Coach!
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In reply to CowboyKip • 7:29a, 2/17/23
CowboyKip said:
With USC and UCLA going to B1G, and we take four schools, the PAC collapses. If that's the case I think we want Oregon , Washington, ASU, and CU.
"we" don't want those schools... maybe you do
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11:10a, 2/17/23
Not too happy with the deal Commissioner Yormark made with the Sooners and the Longhorns.

He apparently left an 80 to 100 million dollar deal per team on the table and took way less. The Big 12 Conference took 50 million dollars per team instead. That's bad business and a bad business deal.

Did Mr. Yormark get DeLoss Dodds and a certain sports broadcaster on channel 9 in OKC to negotiate this deal?

It appears our athletic director has endorsed this deal. Apparently our leader in Whitehurst Hall has offered the rubber stamp as well. Hopefully this wasn't done for the "Greater Good".

The Big 12 Conference and Oklahoma State University deserves better.


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12:31p, 2/17/23
I haven't seen him make a good deal since he was hired. The low-ball media contract he brokered was pathetic, accepting much, much less than the B1G or SEC... just so he could sign an "early deal", just like this bad deal just so that we could "move on" early...

we'd better be moving on to something big, because he is 0-2 in my book.

(and... I think the article said the B12 got 100 mil, but gave 20 of that to Fox - so only 80 mil for the teams to split)

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1:04p, 2/17/23
I'm glad someone else has seen through all of the "Happy Talk" that's been bandied about.

Your term "pathetic" describe the deal perfectly.
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2:53p, 2/17/23
We could be in the Pac10's shoes right now. They're down to a low ball offer from ESPN and a streaming deal from Amazon. Everyone else has backed out of negotiating with them. Why?? Because they don't need it! They have all their programming filled up. So I don't understand all the bit**ing?! At least we have a seat at the table, and that's a lot more than Kliavkoff can say. Yormark seen the writing on the wall and negotiated early. Looking back, it was a wise thing! We're not going to get B1G or SEC money, however, we did get the right to add P5 teams and get compensated for them. Considering our viewership is in the millions below the blue bloods of the two big conferences, beggars can't be choosers, and the Pac is a shining example of that. And piss on OU and Tex. Fox didn't want to let them walk, but eventually decided to for $20 mil and some B1G matchups. The conference got $80 mil. Glad they're gone!! Let the Pac melt and we'll be a super conference.


On a side note, perhaps the Oklahoma Commissioners of the Land Ofifice, with a trust above $10 billion, can provide some of that to OSU and help with our NIL. Or even just buy the conference.....
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In reply to Eclectic • 3:04p, 2/17/23
If there's any pissing being done it's being done by Texas and OU on the remaining 8 teams.
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In reply to RowdyRawhide • 3:15p, 2/17/23
Why? Because they had to cough up $50 mil a piece. Besides, not like we got an invite,,,, Time to move on!
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3:27p, 2/17/23
The Grant of Rights agreement indicated Sooners and Longhorns owed 80-100 million dollars each. Make OU and Texas stay through May 2025. Sue both schools if they don't.. Yormark and Big 12 presidents should have demanded that the 2 schools have to honor the signed agreements.

I hope you don't own a business. You would get steam rolled.
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In reply to RowdyRawhide • 3:38p, 2/17/23
umm, I do. A few of them.... Sometimes you just have to take what the mkt is and move on to something better. Essentially what Yormark did. Move out of the road and quit holding us back from doing what we want to do. And by the way, pay us $50 mil each.
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3:41p, 2/17/23
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3:45p, 2/17/23
I'll just make sure I don't invite you on my Board of Directors.
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In reply to RowdyRawhide • 4:12p, 2/17/23
Ha Ha! Ok......
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In reply to RowdyRawhide • 4:26p, 2/17/23
RowdyRawhide said:
The Grant of Rights agreement indicated Sooners and Longhorns owed 80-100 million dollars each. Make OU and Texas stay through May 2025. Sue both schools if they don't.. Yormark and Big 12 presidents should have demanded that the 2 schools have to honor the signed agreements.

I hope you don't own a business. You would get steam rolled.
it appears that GOR's are made to be broken... expect ND and FSU to be getting out of the ACC GOR for a "manageable amount" as well.

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In reply to Eclectic • 4:38p, 2/17/23
Eclectic said:
We could be in the Pac10's shoes right now. They're down to a low ball offer from ESPN and a streaming deal from Amazon. Everyone else has backed out of negotiating with them. Why?? Because they don't need it!

that is one take.... there are others... It might just be wise to wait until the fat lady sings

Despite some (PAC 12) member concerns a partnership with Amazon with support from ESPN and CBS or Fox should get them close to $40 million per member per year for what is likely to be a six-year deal and the Conference of Champions could be in good shape after all. FORBES

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zengernews/2023/02/09/how-the-new-pac-12-media-deal-gets-done---three-things-leaders-need-to-know/?sh=1d30465e75bd



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In reply to RowdyRawhide • 4:42p, 2/17/23
RowdyRawhide said:
Not too happy with the deal Commissioner Yormark made with the Sooners and the Longhorns.

I wonder if you understand the conference share was $0 if a deal wasn't reached?

He apparently left an 80 to 100 million dollar deal per team on the table and took way less. The Big 12 Conference took 50 million dollars per team instead. That's bad business and a bad business deal.

Did Mr. Yormark get DeLoss Dodds and a certain sports broadcaster on channel 9 in OKC to negotiate this deal?

It appears our athletic director has endorsed this deal. Apparently our leader in Whitehurst Hall has offered the rubber stamp as well. Hopefully this wasn't done for the "Greater Good".

The Big 12 Conference and Oklahoma State University deserves better.


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4:43p, 2/17/23
If the grant breakers get sued, there might not be so many deal breakers.
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In reply to RowdyRawhide • 4:52p, 2/17/23
RowdyRawhide said:
The Grant of Rights agreement indicated Sooners and Longhorns owed 80-100 million dollars each. Make OU and Texas stay through May 2025. Sue both schools if they don't.. Yormark and Big 12 presidents should have demanded that the 2 schools have to honor the signed agreements.

I hope you don't own a business. You would get steam rolled.


The Grant of Rights agreements do not indicate any school owes the conference if they leave before the term of the GOR. I think you're confused. .
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6:13p, 2/17/23
Grant of rights affect the schools, the conferences and the television networks. If Texas and OU don't play their Big 12 schedule in 2024-2025, revenue is affected mightily. Gates, television viewing and advertising revenues are all greatly impacted. Hotel and restaurant receipts will see an impact as well. Texas and OU signed an agreement
that both schools would remain in the Big 12 Conference until May of 2025. The Big 12 Conference along with the remaining member schools should take legal action against the contract breakers (OU and Texas).if the 2 schools leave early. The Oklahoma State University administrators should look out for the interests of the university
instead of just "moving on".
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In reply to GumbyFromPokeyLand • 6:39p, 2/17/23
GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
RowdyRawhide said:
The Grant of Rights agreement indicated Sooners and Longhorns owed 80-100 million dollars each. Make OU and Texas stay through May 2025. Sue both schools if they don't.. Yormark and Big 12 presidents should have demanded that the 2 schools have to honor the signed agreements.

I hope you don't own a business. You would get steam rolled.


The Grant of Rights agreements do not indicate any school owes the conference if they leave before the term of the GOR. I think you're confused. .
I do not believe that is a correct statement, or at best, it is misleading. Right?

The GOR means that the SCHOOL gives their media rights TO THE CONFERENCE. Ergo, if the team leaves the conference, then the conference continues to collect the media monies from that team regardless of how those dollars are earned.... essentially those media monies ARE OWED the conference.

Simply put, any TV revenue a school is due from the ACC's contract with ESPN is conference property through June 30, 2036 regardless of whether the school remains an ACC member or leaves for another conference.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/it-could-cost-teams-millions-to-leave-acc-here-s-how-league-s-grant-of-rights-works/ar-AAZhRu8
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In reply to RodeoPoke • 7:59p, 2/17/23
First of all, they're never getting $40 mil, especially without the LA schools. They have no viewership! Secondly, the article is 10 days old. Since the article was put out, CBS has backed out and is not willing to negotiate. Fox hasn't been willing to negotiate from the get go. Third, Oregon and Washington have stated that they are not willing to commit to a GOR that is streaming only for tier 1 rights. ESPN has offered $25 mil/school for 7 years. Why would Amazon offer $40???
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In reply to RodeoPoke • 9:06p, 2/17/23
RodeoPoke said:
GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
RowdyRawhide said:
The Grant of Rights agreement indicated Sooners and Longhorns owed 80-100 million dollars each. Make OU and Texas stay through May 2025. Sue both schools if they don't.. Yormark and Big 12 presidents should have demanded that the 2 schools have to honor the signed agreements.

I hope you don't own a business. You would get steam rolled.


The Grant of Rights agreements do not indicate any school owes the conference if they leave before the term of the GOR. I think you're confused. .
I do not believe that is a correct statement, or at best, it is misleading. Right?

The GOR means that the SCHOOL gives their media rights TO THE CONFERENCE. Ergo, if the team leaves the conference, then the conference continues to collect the media monies from that team regardless of how those dollars are earned.... essentially those media monies ARE OWED the conference.

Simply put, any TV revenue a school is due from the ACC's contract with ESPN is conference property through June 30, 2036 regardless of whether the school remains an ACC member or leaves for another conference.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/it-could-cost-teams-millions-to-leave-acc-here-s-how-league-s-grant-of-rights-works/ar-AAZhRu8


Yes, the conference would get any media related revenue attributable to the broadcast of OU and/or UT, but there is no stated fee or penalty attached to those media rights. The problem is, there is no clear avenue for the B12 to reasonably collect those revenues. In reality, it would never happen. If the B12 owned the media rights of OU/UT and they both left, Fox would sue the B12 for their inability to deliver the contracted content. In turn, the B12 would sue ESPN and the SEC for the value of their broadcast package theoretically attributable to OU/UT. In turn, the SEC would understand they would get sued by the B12 and thus would likely have to let OU/UT know they couldn't allow them in the conference until the media rights were settled. There's just no way any of the parties would enter a season knowing lawsuits and injunctions are guaranteed. But the real problem is, there is no easily definable value attributable to OU/UT media rights, and/or the value Fox loses in the OU/UT exit. Thus the need for a settlement with OU/UT and Fox. Did the B12 get as much as they should or could? Probably not. But if they played harder hardball with OU/UT then who knows what might happen? Fox might extract more out of the deal. Lawyers are gonna get paid, and a real settlement with the courts involved might not happen for years with an uncertain outcome.
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In reply to GumbyFromPokeyLand • 8:28a, 2/18/23
GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
RodeoPoke said:
GumbyFromPokeyLand said:



The Grant of Rights agreements do not indicate any school owes the conference if they leave before the term of the GOR. I think you're confused. .
I do not believe that is a correct statement, or at best, it is misleading. Right?

The GOR means that the SCHOOL gives their media rights TO THE CONFERENCE. Ergo, if the team leaves the conference, then the conference continues to collect the media monies from that team regardless of how those dollars are earned.... essentially those media monies ARE OWED the conference.

Simply put, any TV revenue a school is due from the ACC's contract with ESPN is conference property through June 30, 2036 regardless of whether the school remains an ACC member or leaves for another conference.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/it-could-cost-teams-millions-to-leave-acc-here-s-how-league-s-grant-of-rights-works/ar-AAZhRu8


Yes, the conference would get any media related revenue attributable to the broadcast of OU and/or UT, but there is no stated fee or penalty attached to those media rights.
thanks for admitting to making a bad previous statement, we need more people of honor like you posting.
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In reply to RodeoPoke • 12:51p, 2/18/23
RodeoPoke said:
GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
RodeoPoke said:
GumbyFromPokeyLand said:



The Grant of Rights agreements do not indicate any school owes the conference if they leave before the term of the GOR. I think you're confused. .
I do not believe that is a correct statement, or at best, it is misleading. Right?

The GOR means that the SCHOOL gives their media rights TO THE CONFERENCE. Ergo, if the team leaves the conference, then the conference continues to collect the media monies from that team regardless of how those dollars are earned.... essentially those media monies ARE OWED the conference.

Simply put, any TV revenue a school is due from the ACC's contract with ESPN is conference property through June 30, 2036 regardless of whether the school remains an ACC member or leaves for another conference.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/it-could-cost-teams-millions-to-leave-acc-here-s-how-league-s-grant-of-rights-works/ar-AAZhRu8


Yes, the conference would get any media related revenue attributable to the broadcast of OU and/or UT, but there is no stated fee or penalty attached to those media rights.
thanks for admitting to making a bad previous statement, we need more people of honor like you posting.


Not really Mr Passive Aggressive. There are no monetary provisions, penalties or monies owed contained in the Grant of Rights Agreements.

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185303/Big-12-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf
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In reply to GumbyFromPokeyLand • 1:47p, 2/18/23
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Not really Mr Passive Aggressive. There are no monetary provisions, penalties or monies owed contained in the Grant of Rights Agreements.

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185303/Big-12-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf
doesn't the first sentence of section 2, state explicitly that whole point, Mr. name caller?
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In reply to GumbyFromPokeyLand • 1:59p, 2/18/23
GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
RodeoPoke said:
GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
RowdyRawhide said:
The Grant of Rights agreement indicated Sooners and Longhorns owed 80-100 million dollars each. Make OU and Texas stay through May 2025. Sue both schools if they don't.. Yormark and Big 12 presidents should have demanded that the 2 schools have to honor the signed agreements.

I hope you don't own a business. You would get steam rolled.


The Grant of Rights agreements do not indicate any school owes the conference if they leave before the term of the GOR. I think you're confused. .
I do not believe that is a correct statement, or at best, it is misleading. Right?

The GOR means that the SCHOOL gives their media rights TO THE CONFERENCE. Ergo, if the team leaves the conference, then the conference continues to collect the media monies from that team regardless of how those dollars are earned.... essentially those media monies ARE OWED the conference.

Simply put, any TV revenue a school is due from the ACC's contract with ESPN is conference property through June 30, 2036 regardless of whether the school remains an ACC member or leaves for another conference.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/it-could-cost-teams-millions-to-leave-acc-here-s-how-league-s-grant-of-rights-works/ar-AAZhRu8


Yes, the conference would get any media related revenue attributable to the broadcast of OU and/or UT, but there is no stated fee or penalty attached to those media rights. The problem is, there is no clear avenue for the B12 to reasonably collect those revenues. In reality, it would never happen. If the B12 owned the media rights of OU/UT and they both left, Fox would sue the B12 for their inability to deliver the contracted content. In turn, the B12 would sue ESPN and the SEC for the value of their broadcast package theoretically attributable to OU/UT. In turn, the SEC would understand they would get sued by the B12 and thus would likely have to let OU/UT know they couldn't allow them in the conference until the media rights were settled. There's just no way any of the parties would enter a season knowing lawsuits and injunctions are guaranteed. But the real problem is, there is no easily definable value attributable to OU/UT media rights, and/or the value Fox loses in the OU/UT exit. Thus the need for a settlement with OU/UT and Fox. B12 get as much as they should or could? Probably not. But if they played harder hardball with OU/UT then who knows what might happen? Fox might extract more out of the deal. Lawyers are gonna get paid, and a real settlement with the courts involved might not happen for years with an uncertain outcome.
It would appear that part of the deal to assuage FOX is having Zero U and Texass play non conference games against one of the three BIG 10 Bluebloods at their stadiums (Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State) in 2024 and 2025! That would give FOX four "marquee games" that would be broadcast on their main Noon game of the week! Good Luck Land Thieves and Shorthorns, not only dealing with an SEC schedule but having to play the likes of those three in a non conference game on the road!
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It would appear that part of the deal to assuage FOX is having Zero U and Texass play non conference games against one of the three BIG 10 Bluebloods at their stadiums (Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State) in 2024 and 2025! That would give FOX four "marquee games" that would be broadcast on their main Noon game of the week! Good Luck Land Thieves and Shorthorns, not only dealing with an SEC schedule but having to play the likes of those three in a non conference game on the road!
it seems that taking a potential loss in the w/l column is better than taking a $50 million dollar loss
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In reply to RodeoPoke • 2:46p, 2/18/23
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:




Not really Mr Passive Aggressive. There are no monetary provisions, penalties or monies owed contained in the Grant of Rights Agreements.

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185303/Big-12-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf
doesn't the first sentence of section 2, state explicitly that whole point, Mr. name caller?


No. I see no mention of monetary penalties or foregoing revenue. In fact, the only mention in the GOR agreements regarding a school leaving the conference is a short statement that the GOR is irrevocable even if a school withdraws from the conference.
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In reply to GumbyFromPokeyLand • 2:53p, 2/18/23
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RodeoPoke said:
GumbyFromPokeyLand said:




Not really Mr Passive Aggressive. There are no monetary provisions, penalties or monies owed contained in the Grant of Rights Agreements.

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185303/Big-12-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf
doesn't the first sentence of section 2, state explicitly that whole point, Mr. name caller?


No. I see no mention of monetary penalties or foregoing revenue. In fact, the only mention in the GOR agreements regarding a school leaving the conference is a short statement that the GOR is irrevocable even if a school withdraws from the conference.
you changed the discussion midstream. YOU DID NOT SAY "penalties", you added that after you realized that you made a bad statement. You said that they "do not owe". They do owe, according to you. Perhaps you're not so honorable.
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In reply to RodeoPoke • 3:13p, 2/18/23
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
RodeoPoke said:
GumbyFromPokeyLand said:




Not really Mr Passive Aggressive. There are no monetary provisions, penalties or monies owed contained in the Grant of Rights Agreements.

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185303/Big-12-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf
doesn't the first sentence of section 2, state explicitly that whole point, Mr. name caller?


No. I see no mention of monetary penalties or foregoing revenue. In fact, the only mention in the GOR agreements regarding a school leaving the conference is a short statement that the GOR is irrevocable even if a school withdraws from the conference.
you changed the discussion midstream. YOU DID NOT SAY "penalties", you added that after you realized that you made a bad statement. You said that they "do not owe". They do owe, according to you. Perhaps you're not so honorable.


I'm not changing the discussion, I'm trying to clear up your confusion.

You're confusing the GOR agreements with the Conference By-Laws. It's the Conference By-Laws which address any withdrawal penalties. But there are no stated penalties for early withdrawal related to the Grant of Rights.
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In reply to GumbyFromPokeyLand • 3:17p, 2/18/23
GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
RodeoPoke said:
GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
RodeoPoke said:
GumbyFromPokeyLand said:




Not really Mr Passive Aggressive. There are no monetary provisions, penalties or monies owed contained in the Grant of Rights Agreements.

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185303/Big-12-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf
doesn't the first sentence of section 2, state explicitly that whole point, Mr. name caller?


No. I see no mention of monetary penalties or foregoing revenue. In fact, the only mention in the GOR agreements regarding a school leaving the conference is a short statement that the GOR is irrevocable even if a school withdraws from the conference.
you changed the discussion midstream. YOU DID NOT SAY "penalties", you added that after you realized that you made a bad statement. You said that they "do not owe". They do owe, according to you. Perhaps you're not so honorable.


You're confusing the GOR agreements with the Conference By-Laws. It's the Conference By-Laws which address any withdrawal penalties. But there are no stated penalties for early withdrawal related to the Grant of Rights.
I'm not confusing anything.... I knew better than to sign up for this site, I read it for a while, but did not sign up previously because of know-it-all posters like you that ruin the forum for everybody.

I signed up so that I could read Roberts premium content. I will put you on ignore and hope that my forum experience improves.

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Not really Mr Passive Aggressive. There are no monetary provisions, penalties or monies owed contained in the Grant of Rights Agreements.

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185303/Big-12-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf
doesn't the first sentence of section 2, state explicitly that whole point, Mr. name caller?


No. I see no mention of monetary penalties or foregoing revenue. In fact, the only mention in the GOR agreements regarding a school leaving the conference is a short statement that the GOR is irrevocable even if a school withdraws from the conference.
you changed the discussion midstream. YOU DID NOT SAY "penalties", you added that after you realized that you made a bad statement. You said that they "do not owe". They do owe, according to you. Perhaps you're not so honorable.


You're confusing the GOR agreements with the Conference By-Laws. It's the Conference By-Laws which address any withdrawal penalties. But there are no stated penalties for early withdrawal related to the Grant of Rights.
I'm not confusing anything.... I knew better than to sign up for this site, I read it for a while, but did not sign up previously because of know-it-all posters like you that ruin the forum for everybody.

I signed up so that I could read Roberts premium content. I will put you on ignore and hope that my forum experience improves.



Meh. Unlike some of the other sites, most posters here try to get the facts correct instead of just repeating fanboy chatter.
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In reply to RodeoPoke • 3:46p, 2/18/23
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It would appear that part of the deal to assuage FOX is having Zero U and Texass play non conference games against one of the three BIG 10 Bluebloods at their stadiums (Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State) in 2024 and 2025! That would give FOX four "marquee games" that would be broadcast on their main Noon game of the week! Good Luck Land Thieves and Shorthorns, not only dealing with an SEC schedule but having to play the likes of those three in a non conference game on the road!
it seems that taking a potential loss in the w/l column is better than taking a $50 million dollar loss
Not if it is the difference between 6-6 and 5-7, 6-6 gets you into a bowl and helps provide more money! 5-7 gets you a wait til next year prize! Both will probably be looking at that scenario when they start SEC play with Texas maybe, I say maybe, being in better position! I don't see either one of them approaching the needed number of wins to get into the new twelve team playoff the first three of four years of SEC play and that is even with them being members of that league which could get up to four teams in during a particular year!
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In reply to Joe Khatib • 7:43p, 2/18/23
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Not if it is the difference between 6-6 and 5-7, 6-6 gets you into a bowl and helps provide more money! 5-7 gets you a wait til next year prize! Both will probably be looking at that scenario when they start SEC play with Texas maybe, I say maybe, being in better position! I don't see either one of them approaching the needed number of wins to get into the new twelve team playoff the first three of four years of SEC play and that is even with them being members of that league which could get up to four teams in during a particular year!
maybe.... I think it is more likely to have UGA, BAMA, ou and UT get the 4 byes, and everybody else fight with LSU for the other 8 playoff slots.

It is the ESPN playoffs, after all
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