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Gundy Says: Oklahoma State Had Better Be Ready to Stop the Run

October 2, 2023
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STILLWATER – When you get your butt kicked in football it generally serves as a motivator for the next and maybe even future meetings. Last season Oklahoma State was 6-1 when they went to Kansas State fresh off of a 41-34 home win over Texas. That OSU team used up a lot of energy in beating the Longhorns and that showed a week later in Manhattan as K-State blew the Cowboys up 48-0, the worse loss ever for the Pokes in that series.

“No, I don’t think that factors in much,” Gundy said citing practice as being more important. “I’ve never really used past experience as motivation.” 

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Giddens, shown running against the Cowboys last season.

Gundy may not, but some of his players might. The same quarterback is back in Will Howard. Last season the Cats had the elusive Duece Vaughn at running back. Now they have the more powerful D.J. Giddens, who just ran for 207-yards and four touchdowns against Central Florida.

“They do a good job with running the ball. They have linemen in their program that they developed and have gotten stronger over the years. The majority are kind of local, home grown kids that take pride in that,” Gundy described his perception of Kansas State. “They rush the ball really well and they are physical. The improvement that they’ve made over the years is their quarterback. He’s played how many years now? How many years has he been there?”

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Will Howard in the win over Central Florida.

The answer is this is his fourth year and he has lettered three years. Will Howard is 6-5, 242-pounds and is from Downington, Pa. He has now thrown for 4,215-yards with 32 touchdowns and 19 interceptions inhis career. He has run for 693-yards and 15 touchdowns.

This will be his fourth time to play against Oklahoma State. In 2020 he was forced into duty and lost a close one at home to Oklahoma State 20-18. He was 10-of-21 for 143-yards with oen touchdown and one pick.

He barely got in in 2021 as Oklahoma State won 31-20 and Howard was 4-of-12 for 50-yards. 

In 2022, Howard and the Wildcats hit the motherload as they won 48-0. Little went wrong as Howard hit Kade Warner for a 49-yard touchdown on the first KSU offensive series and on a fourth and 10 play. Howard threw for 294-yards and four touchdowns. 

Oklahoma State’s defense had better be more sound on the back end in coverage and keep up the good tackling shown in Ames as they almost completely shut off Iowa State in the run game.

On the other side of the football, the general consensus was Oklahoma State fared better against the Iowa State defense as they have more familiarity with the odd man front these days. OSU sees it so much with the Cowboys running a 3-3-5.

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Safety Will Lee III (8) and linebacker Austin Moore (41) prepare to make a tackle against UCF.

“There are a lot of similarities,” Gundy said immediately. “They flirt a little more with the 3-3 instead of the 3-2 (three linebackers vs. two). Comparison-wise it is pretty close,” Gundy said of the two defenses. “They do some four-man (front) like we do. There are a lot of similarities but coverage-wise they do some things differently. The concepts are all pretty much the same.”

From a personnel standpoint, Kansas State is more experienced in the secondary and more youthful up front.

“Their safeties (Kobe Savage-rover and Marques Sigle-free) are good players and they tackle really well. Linebacker play 32 (Desmond Purnell) makes a lot of plays. I see him making lots of plays,” Gundy said. “Front-wise it is a different group, but they are relentless and they play hard. They look very similar to what they did. They were a little more experienced in the box last year, but their back end is very experienced with those safeties.”

Okay, no revenge motivation, but I can tell you that Oklahoma State badly needs a win to quiet the storm of fans that are flat-out PO’d with the season start. It may be a vocal minority, but either way, that group of people are starting to make problems in the public for the Oklahoma State and it’s perception and it’s recruiting. The Cowboys need a win and K-State would be a good one.

 

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Gundy Says: Oklahoma State Had Better Be Ready to Stop the Run

1,937 Views | 12 Replies | Last: 7 mo ago by Elbone65
Pokes4158
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Yeah if fans keep being so vocal and ruining the perception our recruiting might go from 60th in the country to 65th. Totally would be on the fans too.
Pokes4158
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"If all else fails blame the fans" -robert blame the fans Allen
aggie1
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That's as good as "run your mouth 4158"
RodeoPoke
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I said preseason that my biggest fear was that any team with a running capability was going to line up and run us over with the silly 3-3 front.... and so far 2 straight teams have done so, with even a better rushing attack coming on Friday.

The 3-3-5 may eventually pan out, but while we're still trying to learn the alignment, sledding could be very rough, especially with us losing so many key players in the secondary the last 2 weeks. (one being left home, and one to DUI)

I so hope we go with a 4 man front for most of the game. If we don't get pressure on Howard, then we're going to be for a long day
RodeoPoke
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looks like Rucker will be available for the game Friday (his court date is not until Nov), and Rawls is day-to-day.

tulsasig
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Could it be, Robert, that fans are disappointed and unhappy because you and others hyped up the team's outlook for this year. As I recall, you wrote that 9 or 10 wins was possible this year.
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tulsasig said:

Could it be, Robert, that fans are disappointed and unhappy because you and others hyped up the team's outlook for this year. As I recall, you wrote that 9 or 10 wins was possible this year.
could be that some just hear what they want to hear... and don't allow others to change their pre-season projections.

Anybody who holds someone to the pre-season analysis is simply looking for an axe to grind. It's like taking the preseason polls and demanding that the post season polls look exactly the same.

I said we could win 9 games or more, until I learned that Bowman could not win the QB battle with two complete rookies, then immediately dropped my expectations to max of 7 wins.

If fans are unhappy it is on them, not on the analysis of others.
Elbone65
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Just by the numbers and according to ESPN analytics matchup predictor.
I realize that these are based solely on past performance and odds can change, but as of today OSU is looking at maybe 2 wins for the remainder of the season so is looking like maybe a 4-8, (could be 2-10 Yikes!) I truly hope that I can come back and edit this post because right now is looking pretty depressing.
This year could quite possible be one of the worst bedlams loses for OSU, and being the last one, it is going to linger for a long time, specially if OU puts 60+ on the pokes.

I guess the good times ship has sailed, well there is always next year…. right?

Barely a favorite by 1.1% in one game of the remainder 8 games!
vs. K. State - OSU chance of winning 20.5% - L
vs. Kansas - OSU chance of winning 47.5% - ?
vs. West Virginia - OSU chance of winning 25.8% - L
vs. Cincinnati - OSU chance of winning 39.6% - L
vs. Oklahoma - OSU chance of winning 5.5% - L and LOL
vs. UCF - OSU chance of winning 17.2% - L
vs. Houston - OSU chance of winning 40% -L
vs. BYU - OSU chance of winning 51.1% - ?
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Elbone65 said:

Just by the numbers and according to ESPN analytics matchup predictor.
I realize that these are based solely on past performance and odds can change, but as of today OSU is looking at maybe 2 wins for the remainder of the season so is looking like maybe a 4-8, (could be 2-10 Yikes!)
This year could quite possible be one of the worst bedlams loses for OSU, and being the last one, it is going to linger for a long time, specially if OU puts 60+ on the pokes.

I guess the good times ship has sailed, well there is always next year…. right?

vs. K. State - OSU chance of winning 20.5% - L
vs. Kansas - OSU chance of winning 47.5% - ?
vs. West Virginia - OSU chance of winning 25.8% - L
vs. Cincinnati - OSU chance of winning 39.6% - L
vs. Oklahoma - OSU chance of winning 5.5% - L and LOL
vs. UCF - OSU chance of winning 17.2% - L
vs. Houston - OSU chance of winning 40% -L
vs. BYU - OSU chance of winning 51.1% - ?
I'm still holding out for 6-7 wins (regular season).

Many of those games are at BPS. (KState, KU, Cincy, OU, BYU)

KU may be without their QB Daniels, that would certainly lean me towards and OSU win. Cincy is simply not very good (especially on offense) and it's Homecoming. Houston is not very good, and hopefully our defense is clicking much better towards the end of the season. BYU is listed at 50%, which makes no sense to me, but I'll go with it.

@WVU, @UCF and OU will be very tough games. WVU is looking better than we thought, but frankly they have not played anybody that is all that good, and their games against TT and TCU were nail biters, so no reason to think that our game won't be either.

I think that there is some hope in there. Granted, this team needs to keep showing continued improvement.
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RodeoPoke said:

Elbone65 said:

Just by the numbers and according to ESPN analytics matchup predictor.
I realize that these are based solely on past performance and odds can change, but as of today OSU is looking at maybe 2 wins for the remainder of the season so is looking like maybe a 4-8, (could be 2-10 Yikes!)
This year could quite possible be one of the worst bedlams loses for OSU, and being the last one, it is going to linger for a long time, specially if OU puts 60+ on the pokes.

I guess the good times ship has sailed, well there is always next year…. right?

vs. K. State - OSU chance of winning 20.5% - L
vs. Kansas - OSU chance of winning 47.5% - ?
vs. West Virginia - OSU chance of winning 25.8% - L
vs. Cincinnati - OSU chance of winning 39.6% - L
vs. Oklahoma - OSU chance of winning 5.5% - L and LOL
vs. UCF - OSU chance of winning 17.2% - L
vs. Houston - OSU chance of winning 40% -L
vs. BYU - OSU chance of winning 51.1% - ?
I'm still holding out for 6-7 wins (regular season).

Many of those games are at BPS. (KState, KU, Cincy, OU, BYU)

KU may be without their QB Daniels, that would certainly lean me towards and OSU win. Cincy is simply not very good (especially on offense) and it's Homecoming. Houston is not very good, and hopefully our defense is clicking much better towards the end of the season. BYU is listed at 50%, which makes no sense to me, but I'll go with it.

@WVU, @UCF and OU will be very tough games. WVU is looking better than we thought, but frankly they have not played anybody that is all that good, and their games against TT and TCU were nail biters, so no reason to think that our game won't be either.

I think that there is some hope in there. Granted, this team needs to keep showing continued improvement.
I love to see a 6-7 and a bowl game, it would definitely be a "good" season (?) and hopefully keep players from jumping into the portal, I hope coach Gundy has very meaningful conversations with Zane Flores, my prediction is that he goes into the portal and he will never play a down for the pokes.
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Elbone65 said:


I love to see a 6-7 and a bowl game, it would definitely be a "good" season (?) and hopefully keep players from jumping into the portal, I hope coach Gundy has very meaningful conversations with Zane Flores, my prediction is that he goes into the portal and he will never play a down for the pokes.
Whatever with Zane.... if he stays he'll have a chance to earn some PT, if he doesn't, then we'll move on.

I'm not one bit worried about kids and their choices.

I'm fairly certain that we'll be in the Portal for another QB this year anyway, and hopefully we get the kid from California.

I'm not one bit worried about kids that choose to leave. I won't lose one minute of sleep over it, now or in the future if it happened.
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RodeoPoke said:

Elbone65 said:


I love to see a 6-7 and a bowl game, it would definitely be a "good" season (?) and hopefully keep players from jumping into the portal, I hope coach Gundy has very meaningful conversations with Zane Flores, my prediction is that he goes into the portal and he will never play a down for the pokes.
Whatever with Zane.... if he stays he'll have a chance to earn some PT, if he doesn't, then we'll move on.

I'm not one bit worried about kids and their choices.

I'm fairly certain that we'll be in the Portal for another QB this year anyway, and hopefully we get the kid from California.

I'm not one bit worried about kids that choose to leave. I won't lose one minute of sleep over it, now or in the future if it happened.
Agreed, I just would like to see some continuity in the program.
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