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The Wait Is Over: OU and Texas Out After 2023-24 / (Update with Dr.Shrum comment)

February 9, 2023
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STILLWATER – The Big 12 Conference is finally going to get the math back to agreeing with the name. The Big 12 Presidents and Chancellors that make up the Board of Directors met by Zoom this afternoon (Feb. 9) and formally approved an agreement that will allow the University of Oklahoma and the University of Texas to leave the conference after the upcoming 2023-24 academic and athletic year.

The two departing schools will be allowed to follow the path they set out on in the spring and summer of 2021. What had been an ongoing and secret process first broke in the Houston Chronicle that Oklahoma and Texas were seeking membership in the Southeastern Conference. They will officially be out of the Big 12, a conference they were instrumental in founding, as of July 1, 2024. Next season 14 schools with the new additions of BYU, Central Florida, Cincinnati, and Houston joining in with the two schools in their final year and the legacy eight of Oklahoma State, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, Texas Tech, and West Virginia will make up a 14-team conference. Then, July 1, 2024, the Big 12 will be at 12 members.

“As I have consistently stated, the Conference would only agree to an early withdrawal if it was in our best interest for Oklahoma and Texas to depart prior to June 30, 2025,” said Commissioner Brett Yormark. “By reaching this agreement, we are now able to accelerate our new beginning as a 12-team league and move forward in earnest with our initiatives and future planning. I appreciate the approaches of OU President Joe Harroz and UT President Jay Hartzell to ensure an amicable conclusion to this process, and look forward to the bright days ahead for the Big 12 Conference.”

Oklahoma State University President Dr. Kayse Shrum was pleased with the resolution.

“This is a good decision for the Big 12 and four our individual universities,” Dr. Shrum sent to Pokes Report. “We are pleased to close this chapter and look forward to the future.”

Oklahoma and Texas were looking for a negotiated exit which would save them some of the estimated $168 million each it would take in penalty to leave early. Meanwhile, a majority of the remaining and existing members of the Big 12, including Oklahoma State, were dead set on making OU and Texas pay every penny owed for the right to leave early. The negotiated early exit started, prior to the issues with FOX, with the two departing schools giving up revenue from the current year and the upcoming final year (2023-24) as opposed to paying an out-of-pocket amount. 

Giving up part of their conference revenue for two school years could result in close to $100 million total from Oklahoma and Texas going back to the existing members of the conference including Oklahoma State.

The football schedule for 2023 was out last week. It was originally thought that would be when the announcement would come that Oklahoma and Texas would be out after 2023-24, but problems erupted with television partners FOX and ESPN, FOX felt there was not enough suitable inventory, primarily for football, in the last year of the current Big 12 television rights deal. ESPN was not as concerned as they would be getting Oklahoma and Texas in the exclusive new rights deal that starts with the SEC in the 2024-25 academic year.

FOX felt they were getting the short end with a potential of seven dates with Oklahoma and/or Texas, including the Red River Rivalry game between the Sooners and Longhorns out of the inventory for the 2024-25 athletic year.  

The proposed fix is that Oklahoma and Texas will both schedule non-conference games with premium members of the Big Ten Conference, where FOX is not only the predominant rights holder, but also a part of the Big Ten on the receiving end of revenue through their deal with the conference in establishing and maintaining the Big Ten Network. 

We’re not sure of the matchups, but it is believed that Oklahoma and Texas will be involved in games with Ohio State and Michigan in addition to at least one more game each with other Big Ten schools. 

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Dr. Kayse Shrum, in front and left, was a holdout as she wanted to exract all possible from Oklahoma and Texas.

The 2023 year was a jigsaw puzzle with Oklahoma and Texas both still in the conference and the new members of Brigham Young University, University of Central Florida, University of Cincinnati, and University of Houston joining up with the conference. 

That solution in the 2023 football schedule has been out for over a week and has been met with positivity both inside and outside of the conference. It has also been accepted well by the television partners.

Oklahoma and Texas, along with the SEC, were hoping the schools could get out before the 2024-25 academic year, which was the last with the grant of rights attached to the previous Big 12 television contract that held the two schools in the conference through ownership of their television rights. 

Oklahoma State’s Complete 2023 Schedule

  • 9/2 vs. Central Arkansas
  • 9/9 at Arizona State
  • 9/16 vs. South Alabama
  • 9/23 at Iowa State
  • 9/30 BYE
  • 10/06 vs. Kansas State 
  • 10/14 vs. Kansas
  • 10/21 at West Virginia
  • 10/28 vs. Cincinnati
  • 11/04 vs. Oklahoma
  • 11/11 at UCF
  • 11/18 at Houston
  • 11/25 vs. BYU
  • 12/2 Big 12 Championship Game
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Big 12 Commissioner Brett Yormark is looking forward to moving on with new deals.

The Big 12’s remaining members of Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas, Texas Christian, Texas Tech and West Virginia, along with the new members, are anxious to move on to the future they have. Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark was also in favor of a negotiated early departure for OU and Texas. He had told the Big 12 Board of Directors, minus representatives of the departing schools, that new plans and potential marketing opportunities could not come to fruition until after OU and Texas were gone. 

This allows for all that to happen. While the Big 12’s old guard may not have squeezed out every possible penalty financially out of the Sooners and Longhorns, there is enough to make them happy. There is the end of the frustration of having two schools around that helped found the league and then turned traders. As Yormark informed the school’s presidents and chancellors, he and his staff can move forward full speed with future deals to make the Big 12 even more influential and profitable. 

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The Wait Is Over: OU and Texas Out After 2023-24 / (Update with Dr.Shrum comment)

19,203 Views | 29 Replies | Last: 1 yr ago by Joe Khatib
Joe Khatib
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Peace, love, mercy and all the rest of that nicey nice gobbledegook!!! Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out Landthieves and Shorthorns, enjoy mediocrity in the SEC, SEC, SEC!!!
Tommyboy
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Good riddance.....
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Tommyboy
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The Big 8 was the best conference in the land until Texas came in to what was supposed to take it "over the top" which turned out to be a cliff. I predict they will do the same to the SEC.....and I'm a little surprised that OU was was dumb enough to not see what happened. If Texas was so great, why didn't the Big 12 thrive and stay ahead of the others? Now they get to be "Little Brother" to Texas and the downfall to their next failure.
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TUSKAPOKE
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GOOD NEWS!!! The Sewerners and Shorthorns will soon be fodder for the SEC. Roll Tide! Go Bulldogs! Go Vols!........ A day to celebrate!!! Free at last from these entitled excrement holes!
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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RA, Other outlets are reporting OU and UT are foregoing $100mm combined, not each. What up?

If it's only $100 total, what the heck was everyone thinking?
JPat
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What happens to OU wrestling? They don't wrestle in the SEC.
NJAggie
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OU Wrestling is staying in the Big XII.

This settlement is really odd. FOX is basically getting nothing for next year. They would have already had the 2 games UT had scheduled, and they would have had any games they played at B1G schools.

Could they be getting them out of the way because they're getting ready to pay for certain west coast schools to join the Big XII?
Crazed_Stallion
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Good riddance. See ya!
NJAggie
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Based on all the reports out there the Big XII is getting $80M out of revenue the next two years, and FOX is getting $20M.

So basically the two are having to pay $25M out of their revenues this year and next.

We must have something on tap that needed this done for the conference to pay so much to get them out.
TUSKAPOKE
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Do they wrestle anymore at OU? Haven't noticed the past decade.....HA!!! Probably will join up in the conference like MO. GO POKES!!!
RowdyRawhide
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Big 12 should have made the Sooners and Longhorns stay through the
2024-2025 academic year.
Money now is worth more than money later. The agreement is too complicated if Big 10 teams are involved.
72Cowboys
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What do you think the 2024-25 schedule look like?
OKSTATE1
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This will allow the Big 12 to add some PAC schools quickly.
NJAggie
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OKSTATE1 said:

This will allow the Big 12 to add some PAC schools quickly.
It better lead to that. I think that must be in the works and with the collapse of the PAC negotiations it might be immanent. Because something happened here where the Big XII & FOX were almost desperate to get this deal done when there was no need to be if not for PAC schools needing room for a landing.

ESPN already set there position when they gave the Big XII a guaranteed pro-rata clause for P5 schools. That allowed them to stay "engaged" in PAC negotiations while having already empowered the Big XII. Now FOX has been taken care of, including the Big XII, paying $20M of the exit fee money to them, and they want fourth window games as well. They didn't guarantee so they're the wild card as they can bid more than pro-rata if needed to help lure PAC schools. My guess is they want UO & UW first then two more out of the 4 corners although I wouldn't sleep on Stanford.

If as reported by the Athletic the PAC is faced with $27M a school at 10 or at 12 getting to $28.5M with unequal distribution to the adds. Then FOX could easily add $36M above pro-rata to get the Big XII deal to $33.5M a year, and get first choice in the 2nd half of the season for 4th window football games.

FOX didn't agree to this deal in which they got $20M and very little else, as they'd have had any UT & OU road games with B1G or Big XII opponents without this deal. The flip was cosmetic. So FOX had to have a reason, the most logical being expansion.
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Yormark may need some cash to grab new schools.

What PAC schools are you hearing as first on the trading block? UO, UW, ASU, and UU would be a nice starter pack in my view.

It looks like bad for the Big 12 to see as part of the exit deal, OU/UT scheduling additional games with Big 10 teams. I'm assuming we see even fewer Big 12 / SEC-Big 10 non-conf match-ups moving forward.
OT
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Please fix the Schrum quote typo.
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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NJAggie said:

OKSTATE1 said:

This will allow the Big 12 to add some PAC schools quickly.
It better lead to that. I think that must be in the works and with the collapse of the PAC negotiations it might be immanent. Because something happened here where the Big XII & FOX were almost desperate to get this deal done when there was no need to be if not for PAC schools needing room for a landing.

ESPN already set there position when they gave the Big XII a guaranteed pro-rata clause for P5 schools. That allowed them to stay "engaged" in PAC negotiations while having already empowered the Big XII. Now FOX has been taken care of, including the Big XII, paying $20M of the exit fee money to them, and they want fourth window games as well. They didn't guarantee so they're the wild card as they can bid more than pro-rata if needed to help lure PAC schools. My guess is they want UO & UW first then two more out of the 4 corners although I wouldn't sleep on Stanford.

If as reported by the Athletic the PAC is faced with $27M a school at 10 or at 12 getting to $28.5M with unequal distribution to the adds. Then FOX could easily add $36M above pro-rata to get the Big XII deal to $33.5M a year, and get first choice in the 2nd half of the season for 4th window football games.

FOX didn't agree to this deal in which they got $20M and very little else, as they'd have had any UT & OU road games with B1G or Big XII opponents without this deal. The flip was cosmetic. So FOX had to have a reason, the most logical being expansion.


I hope that's the play, but I really don't see anything meaningful in this deal that further facilitates adding PAC schools. In fact, just the opposite. Adding PAC schools first would seem a bigger incentive to then just cut loose OU and UT pursuant to a better financial outcome. How much fun would it have been to add 2 or 4 PAC schools and then kick OU and UT out. Anyway, we'll see.
NJAggie
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With the recent deteriorations at the PAC talks could already be underway and there might be concerns about 2024-25 if the issue wasn't dealt with. For FOX & ESPN it was a complication that resolution allows them to move forward, and might have been an ESPN requirement for cooperation.

I don't see how that money would be of much help if you didn't have a long term contract that made the move worthwhile. A temp bump wouldn't get anyone. Getting ESPN & FOX satisfied so they're willing to up the deal to get expansion done is worth paying to get OU & UT gone.
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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NJAggie said:

With the recent deteriorations at the PAC talks could already be underway and there might be concerns about 2024-25 if the issue wasn't dealt with. For FOX & ESPN it was a complication that resolution allows them to move forward, and might have been an ESPN requirement for cooperation.

I don't see how that money would be of much help if you didn't have a long term contract that made the move worthwhile. A temp bump wouldn't get anyone. Getting ESPN & FOX satisfied so they're willing to up the deal to get expansion done is worth paying to get OU & UT gone.


Don't know that I can disagree with that, but it would seem if the B12 was playing the cards, that deal could be promised AFTER the PAC schools were added. In other words, I would rather make a deal that guarantees a better financial outcome (first adding PAC schools) than making a deal with a marginal financial outcome ( first cutting OU and UT loose) in hopes of getting the aforementioned better financial outcome.
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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Upon further reflection, I beginning to think the recent interest by the PAC in SMU may have prompted FOX to push the B12 settlement with OU/UT to allow them to work out their scheduling for the B1G and a new B12 with PAC schools before the PAC has a chance to settle on adding SMU and SDSU.
NJAggie
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

Upon further reflection, I beginning to think the recent interest by the PAC in SMU may have prompted FOX to push the B12 settlement with OU/UT to allow them to work out their scheduling for the B1G and a new B12 with PAC schools before the PAC has a chance to settle on adding SMU and SDSU.
Right, there has to be some reason this went from dead to done in 48 hours. The only thing in there was PAC bad contract news and expansion attempt.

I'm like you I'd rather have the good stuff done before I let them off the hook, but since its done and that's the only reason to make this not so good deal I don't see another reason to have done it.
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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I don't know what the drop dead date is to integrate OU/UT into the SEC for the 24 season, but I would think it would be late this summer at the earliest. And the closer you get to the drop dead date, the more you should be able to extract from them. Thus, as you indicate, there must be something else of significant value prompting such an underwhelming price tag for the conference to settle now.
Darth Vader
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OT said:

Please fix the Schrum quote typo.
Yes, please. I was going to ask if that was her or a mistake by pokes report.
NJAggie
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So this came out this afternoon.




IF this is true, and JS has been on target with what he's posted, then that says there is no deal yet, and GK is floundering around. I also doubt that means anyone that wants to leave isn't going to be exploring options. That means GK is on his final written notice for his performance Improvement plan.
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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NJAggie said:

So this came out this afternoon.




IF this is true, and JS has been on target with what he's posted, then that says there is no deal yet, and GK is floundering around. I also doubt that means anyone that wants to leave isn't going to be exploring options. That means GK is on his final written notice for his performance Improvement plan.


I can't see the PAC presidents accepting a streaming only/primarily deal with Amazon or Apple or whomever. Nobody but diehard alumni will ever see PAC content. Sure death for recruiting and creating any hype for the league. If I was a PAC school courted by the B12, I'd take it in a minute.
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Crazed_Stallion said:

Good riddance. See ya!


Saying goodbye and good riddance to the B12 isn't a good look. But then again, you've never been interested in good looks.
NJAggie
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Yeah I like the fact it says REAL DEAL.

Pure streaming would be terrible right now. Unfortunately that may be their only option at this point as it seems ESPN may have dropped out of the negotiations. It is also unclear who the streaming service is. It doesn't seem that Amazon is still interested as they want a single game not everything, and GK's focus has switched to gaining inventory. Which would indicate a streaming service looking for volume and that's not Amazon.

Personally I think it would be hilarious if we found out it was FLO.
LMK4545
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I hope ESPN will dump the LHN and the Big 12 will have their own network
Joe Khatib
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Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, so true! Enjoy that SEC, SEC, SEC Crazy Horse!
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