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Mike Gundy: A Proven Commodity In The Greatest Era of OSU Football

There is no question Mike Gundy is the greatest coach in program history but how much of an impact has really made?
December 7, 2020
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The last three days have brought about a lot of talk about the legacy and career of Oklahoma State Head Coach Mike Gundy. Following the loss on Saturday against TCU, many questions have been raised about whether Gundy should remain the head coach at his alma mater and the school he has been at the helm of for 15 years.

No matter what your opinions on the matter are at the current time, there is no arguing that Gundy is the greatest coach in Cowboy football history. 

There is a graphic going around social media currently that details exactly how much of a difference Gundy has made in the past 15 years compared to the 15 years before Gundy took over. For context, the Cowboys between 1991-2005 had a record of 72-97-3. Outside of the first season Gundy was in control which the team went 4-7, his record has been 131-60, making him the winningest coach in school history, 73 wins ahead of second place Pat Jones. 

Pokes Report

I am just going to go through the list of the statistics. This is not based on opinions of Pokes Report or anyone who works for Pokes Report, this is simply reporting numbers to envoke discussion and thought. 

One of the first stats on the list is one of the most impressive. Gundy has 15 winning seasons, which includes the 2020 season. Oklahoma State was one of only 10 teams to post a winning season every year from 2010-19, joining Alabama, Boise State, LSU, Oklahoma, Penn State, San Diego State, Texas A&M, Washington and Wisconsin. The Cowboys have averaged 9.3 wins per year since 2010, a mark that ranks 12th in the FBS during that span.

 

With the Cowboys being eligible for a bowl game in 2020, Gundy resets his own record of OSU’s streak of 15 straight bowl games. 

Gundy’s success has not only come on the field but in the classroom as well. In the 15 years prior to Gundy’s rule, there were 214 graduates in the program. Since then, there has been 354, a total of 140 more in the same amount of time. The culture he has built is equally about football as it is about life and education. 

257 Academic All-Conference players and 8 Academic All-Americans is also something extremely rare to find under a coach. 

Surprisingly, Oklahoma State did not have a single 10,11, or 12 win season in the decade and a half prior to Gundy taking over. Under Gundy, there has been six 10 win seasons, two 11 win seasons, and one 12 win season. Along with this comes 140 weeks in the AP Top 25, compared to the 29 weeks between ‘91-‘05. He has also been in the AP Top 10 for 38 weeks compared to 0 weeks.

The rest of the graphic is about the success on the offensive side of the ball thoughout Gundy’s career. Obviously the last two seasons have not been on the same level for multiple reasons. Oklahoma State’s best offenses have always seemed to thrive with pocket passing quarterbacks, which obviously Spencer Sanders is not. 

I completely understand people’s worries or concerns with Gundy’s coaching style or his motives behind some decisions. No one likes to watch a team or program lose games, especially one like TCU, in a season where there was so much promise. Gundy is 15-15 in his last 30 conference games, so there is certainly a warranted disussion about why the past three seasons have been so flat in relation the rest of his career. 

There has been many questions if Gundy is able to get back to the level he was at or if he had reached his ceiling. I am not sure if there is a definite way to answer that question other than to see what his response is to this season and moving forward.

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Mike Gundy: A Proven Commodity In The Greatest Era of OSU Football

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CaliforniaCowboy
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Marshall, Marshall, Marshall (in my best Jan Brady voice)

you simply cannot compare points in history statistically. We play more games now than we use to.

We've had coaches that won their conference... some multiple times.

We've had a coach that went undefeated and won a NATIONAL championship.

In the time that Gundy has been HC, BU, KSU, TCU have won the conference, and now likely ISU.

Big 12 Champions (20112016)

Season Big 12 Champion
2011 Oklahoma State
2012 Kansas State* & Oklahoma
2013 Baylor
2014 Baylor* TCU
2015 Oklahoma
2016 Oklahoma
Note: * Head to head winner

All of those "life time achievement" awards are fancy, but reality says that Gundy has been passed over by several other conference coaches.

I have long been a Gundy supporter, but not since he's placed politics over the program. Now he's lot me too.
Marshall Levenson
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I completely see where you are coming from in a lot of your points and do agree with several of them. I wasn't necessarily saying Gundy should be kept or stay because of what statistics he has put up but just simply that he has the pedigree that we know he can do those things. I am certainly not a fan of underachieving and there is no doubt that is what happened this year and the last few years in relativity to what he has done in his career.

Im not sure if you heard Gundys presser but he did make a good point that many of the years there was no conference championship, OSU would have made it in. Now hindsight is 20/20 but do you think that would have changed his perception in the eyes of the fans? If he had more championship appearances but couldn't because one didn't exist.

I'm not trying to be snarky or anything I sincerely want to hear the opinion of someone who's been a fan for so long.
Orangeheart72
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The other wild card in assessing Gundy vs. the universe of possible (or past) head coaches is that he was soon advantaged by discussion and the reality of dramatic facilities enhancements. Les and Jimmy were very good coaches....but their OSU house was called Rustoleum Stadium for a reason. Plus, Nebraska left the conference both removing a major blue blood (at that point) and the resultant easing of NU's competition for Texas recruits......especially around DFW. I've always liked Mike and his politics didn't offend me as this is or was supposed to be a free speech, diverse nation. But it didn't seemingly help his player situation and obviously ticked off a good number of academic liberals and probably some moderates who just feel it was very much ill advised to advertise in his position. Add to that HCMG's seemingly bad luck with ever getting a full, healthy hand at one time (see Travis Ford) and the fan temperature goes up. Especially when a relatively young coach strikes such a chord at Iowa State.......where Cyclone fans used to wish they could be like us! Having said that....I love my team and hope we win it all next year!
missouripoke
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Great story, Marshall. In my opinion if that does not put things in perspective for people then maybe there is no hope for them. Gundy has done so much for this university. However, many don't get it and just want to move on to the next shiny object. I will take our head ball coach any day of the week! Go Pokes!
Marshall Levenson
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Thank you! I see where some people are coming from but I also don't think the grass is always greener on the other side. The fact is, until he wins a championship, people will keep saying it.
Joe Khatib
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The only problem is those that want Gundy fired or dismissed need to figure out where the 7 to 8 million dollars to pay him his buyout is going to come from. Bless he decides he has had enough and leaves on his own, he is the Head Football Coach for at least the next four years. This Athletic Department is struggling just like most others are across the Nation because instead of 55,000 paying customers we are reduced to about 15,000 and the TV and media revenues aren't enough to make up the shortfalls in revenue, not to mention we have a debt service to payoff O'Brate Stadium.


Marshall Levenson
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This is the exactly the kind of stuff most fans do not think about. Most just say "oh well they will figure it out" but it doesn't just work like that. Fans want a new coach but not a rebuild and it most cases, those do not go hand in hand.
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Marshall Levenson said:


Im not sure if you heard Gundys presser but he did make a good point that many of the years there was no conference championship, OSU would have made it in. Now hindsight is 20/20 but do you think that would have changed his perception in the eyes of the fans? If he had more championship appearances but couldn't because one didn't exist.

I'm not trying to be snarky or anything I sincerely want to hear the opinion of someone who's been a fan for so long.
the very same point could be made (and I've made it) that OSU would have been in the MNC playoff in 2011 if there had been one. But there wasn't. And we weren't in it.

and "making it into" a championship contest, does not directly translate into WINNING the championship.

They're moral victories... "feel good" points to make up for short comings.

"if only the rules were different back then, we would look as good as those who were actually successful" - bleh, not buying it.

We were IN FACT playing for a championship in those seasons, and we came up short. But hey, if we had TWO chances to win it, then maybe things would be better. The comments just don't ring true to me.
Danny Deck
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I think some fans underestimate how difficult the job is at OSU, but it goes both ways.

What Gundy has done is very impressive and it isn't a given that anyone could replicate it.

On the other, it takes a ton of work especially on the recruiting trail.

It doesn't take much to fall off the razor's edge of success anywhere, but especially not at OSU. Everyone should respect the job Gundy has done thus far, but it seems more than fair to ask if the future is going to look like what appears to be the golden age of his tenure or more like the last few years. I tend to think it's more like the last few years, but good for the optimists who don't.
Bovine Lad
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Unfortunately there are two major probation periods in our post-WWII History; one of which (the one that resulted from Gundy's playing era) was deemed, "near death penalty".

Comparing Gundy's BPS and IPF gifted record to pre-Boone-gifting probation ball?

The mitigation of losing performance by comparing it to even worse performance in an attempt to assuage and pacify to acceptance of losing status quo is defeatism.

Merriam-Webster

defeatism

an attitude of accepting, expecting, or being resigned to defeat
CaliforniaCowboy
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Marshall Levenson said:

This is the exactly the kind of stuff most fans do not think about. Most just say "oh well they will figure it out" but it doesn't just work like that. Fans want a new coach but not a rebuild and it most cases, those do not go hand in hand.
and why should we be compared to "most cases", when in fact several teams in our league have done it successfully? Why can't we be compared to the programs that have done it?

Worst case, we should only be compared to recently successful P5 programs, not "most cases".

We all know that none of this is about a "new" coach, but is about getting the right coach. Many of the blue-blood programs struggle with coaching changes unless they get the right coach. The goons are a good example, they struggled with coaches until they got Stoops, and then they didn't miss a beat with Riley (cause he's really good). Nothing else changed in their program except the leadership.

The great coaches seems to get great coaches around them, and then, let them do their jobs. IMHO, that is a significant shortcoming with our current coach. We were great offensively when Holgy was left mostly to his own devices, but Gundy had taken that offense and slowly but surely transformed it back into the offense that he use to run. Or so it seems.

I don't have the details of what it would take to make us more successful, but Gerald Weinberg said in his book Secrets of Consulting, "always recommend something different, if what they were doing was working, then we wouldn't be here".

We all want the same thing, our solutions may be different.



Bovine Lad
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Danny Deck said:

I think some fans underestimate how difficult the job is at OSU, but it goes both ways.

What Gundy has done is very impressive and it isn't a given that anyone could replicate it.

On the other, it takes a ton of work especially on the recruiting trail.

It doesn't take much to fall off the razor's edge of success anywhere, but especially not at OSU. Everyone should respect the job Gundy has done thus far, but it seems more than fair to ask if the future is going to look like what appears to be the golden age of his tenure or more like the last few years. I tend to think it's more like the last few years, but good for the optimists who don't.
20 years ago, when Gundy was brought back to Stillwater from Baylor-then-Maryland to be the eventual HC (and Miles replacement) at the powers-to-be insistence, there was no IPF and there was no BPS.

Before Gundy's return, there was only Lewis Field and it was tagged, "the Rust Bowl".

What Gundy has done has been with over a half billion dollars worth of whatever-he-wanted gifting from Boone Pickens and others.

Compare that to the Pat Jones "near-death-penalty" probation ravaged program that Bob Simmons inherited.

It's all relative.
TUSKAPOKE
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Gundy: Must win the conference to win the national championship.....Won 1 Big 12 title.....

OSU Football past 50 years: 2 conference championships.....

In the past 50 years, including the "Golden Age" of OSU football, Gundy has won 50% of the conference championships.

Enough? What is missing for success? Tradition? Coaching? Recruiting? The arms race in regard to facilities?
Bad luck?

There are no more Uncle Boone$ in the wings for the arms race. Need to recruit "the luck" and then coach them up.



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Marshall Levenson said:

I completely see where you are coming from in a lot of your points and do agree with several of them. I wasn't necessarily saying Gundy should be kept or stay because of what statistics he has put up but just simply that he has the pedigree that we know he can do those things. I am certainly not a fan of underachieving and there is no doubt that is what happened this year and the last few years in relativity to what he has done in his career.

Im not sure if you heard Gundys presser but he did make a good point that many of the years there was no conference championship, OSU would have made it in. Now hindsight is 20/20 but do you think that would have changed his perception in the eyes of the fans? If he had more championship appearances but couldn't because one didn't exist.

I'm not trying to be snarky or anything I sincerely want to hear the opinion of someone who's been a fan for so long.
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During my lifetime, 60+ years, we have two football conference championships. My family has three generations of OSU graduates and I was born in Stillwater. We have contributed financially and with butts in the seats for decades. The improvement in facilities was to make us more competitive in recruiting that would lead to better results on the field. We have good coaches, right? So, what is missing? Tradition? Recruiting? Coaching? Something is not getting done. This is the "Golden Age" of OSU football but to continue to settle for disappointment is old. No excuses are acceptable any longer. Iowa State has replaced us as the challenger to Zero U and Shorthorn blue bloods. Not sure I have answers to what it will take. I just know I had a nice Sunday and have put this in the right perspective with things going on today. It is entertainment, much of the time with mediocre results, and sometimes fun with an unexpected win. Those are few and far between though. My expectations for anything much more than that are gone. For many in the fan base with similar thoughts, that is not positive. Thanks for the therapy session.
Bovine Lad
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In addition to being an exercise in defeatism, comparing post-Boone-big-gifting (BPS & IPF) Cowboy Football to probation era Cowboy Football is akin to comparing the Stock Market during Trumps Presidency to the Stock Market of FDR's 1930's Great Depression -- or comparing 16th Century transatlantic travel to 21st Century passage (Duh: "why did it take them so long?")

It is completely devoid of context and proper historical perspective.
TUSKAPOKE
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Bovine Lad said:

In addition to being an exercise in defeatism, comparing post-Boone-big-gifting (BPS & IPF) Cowboy Football to probation era Cowboy Football is akin to comparing the Stock Market during Trumps Presidency to the Stock Market of the 1930's Great Depression -- or comparing 16th Century transatlantic travel to 21st Century passage (Duh: "why did it take them so long?")

It is completely devoid of context and proper historical perspective.

The question concerned long time fan perspective.

Cowboy Depression - 1976 Big 8 Co-champs

Cowboy Golden Age - 2012 Big 12 Champs

Equals 2 ........ Cowboy tradition

1929 Great Depression started - GOP POTUS

2008 Great Recession - GOP POTUS

2016 Stock Market /economy - on the rise

2020 Stock Market - Biden elected - DJ hits 30,000

Perspective? GO POKES!!!

Bovine Lad
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Great reasoning, Tuska.

A single Stock Market crash on October, 29, 1929 was the lone cause of a decade-plus long Depression under Socialist/Democrat rule...

and why did it take them so long to cross the Atlantic back in the 1500's when we can do it in just a matter of hours today?

Quite the dilemma, huh!?
LS1Z28
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Mike Gundy's career has had 3 well defined phases:

Ascension (2005 to 2007)
Coach Gundy didn't win a lot of games during his first 3 years, but he did a great job of building the program through recruiting. His first 2 full classes ranked in the top 25. These classes included players like Dez Bryant, Russell Okung, Perrish Cox, Kendall Hunter, Keith Toston, Dantrell Savage, etc.

Platea (2008 to 2017)
This decade was really special. We averaged 9.6 wins per season with an overall winning percentage of 73.8%. We won 70.1% of our conference games. We won a conference championship in 2011 and almost one a second one in 2013. It was frustrating losing to Oklahoma so often, but we were clearly a top 15 program. We recruited pretty well during the first several years of this era, but it started to trail off towards the end.

Decline (2018 to present)
Over the past 3 years; our overall winning percentage has dropped to 60%, our conference winning percentage has dropped to 50%, and our recruiting rankings have dropped noticeably. Our financial data has been troubling as well. In 2014 we generated $18.5 million in football ticket sales revenue. In 2019 we only collected $10.4 million.

Coach Gundy was really special during his decade of success. He's been very average over the past 3 years. I don't want to see him get fired, but it's clear to me that significant change is needed to change the overall direction of our football program.
TUSKAPOKE
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Bovine Lad said:

Great reasoning, Tuska.

A single Stock Market crash on October, 29, 1929 was the lone cause of a decade-plus long Depression under Socialist/Democrat rule...

and why did it take them so long to cross the Atlantic back in the 1500's when we can do it in just a matter of hours today?

Quite the dilemma, huh!?
GO POKES!!!! BEAT ORU!!!

Glad you liked it Grouch...I mean BL....Look forward to following your posts. You add so much to the excitement and I know it is changing the world to your point of view....ha!

Wearing your face mask? Washing your hands? Are you going to get a vaccination or just tough it out because it is all a hoax?

Do you know the definition of fascism since you mention socialism often? Seen any facets of fascism running around lately? Not sure why many of your posts wallow in political rhetoric when it comes to sports but maybe it helps you with your daily life. If you post it, it is okay for others to comment.

1929 crash....GOP administration....2008 Great Recession...GOP administration

Went back and read some of your old posts about only the pristine patriots following your politics. I thought you might like this article. Please enjoy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/20/trump-hate-groups-ideas-spread-report-southern-poverty-law-center

GO POKES...BEAT BAYLOR!!!!
missouripoke
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Lets leave politics out of this site, period. This is my one place I can get away from it. Thank you! Go Pokes!
TUSKAPOKE
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missouripoke said:

Lets leave politics out of this site, period. This is my one place I can get away from it. Thank you! Go Pokes!
I agree....but if one person posts it continually it will be responded to. Thank you! Go Pokes!!!
missouripoke
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I guess that is what the flag post is used for.
CaliforniaCowboy
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TUSKAPOKE said:

missouripoke said:

Lets leave politics out of this site, period. This is my one place I can get away from it. Thank you! Go Pokes!
I agree....but if one person posts it continually it will be responded to. Thank you! Go Pokes!!!
yeah... that's what we're asking you NOT to do.

Please take those types of disputes and retorts to another board.

If it takes only one person to post to get you to attack, how many have to ask you not to respond before you continually skip over it?

Zach Lancaster
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This is an Oklahoma State website and message board, so don't bring politics into your arguments, especially if you're using it to defend they way you think about players or coaches. The Cowboy fanbase is a family; you can argue and have good and civil discourse, but civil is the key word there.
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