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Potential Power Play to the SEC by ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12 Reported by The Athletic

August 14, 2021
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STILLWATER – When it comes to conference realignment there is really no impossibility, everything is on the table and every report is potentially credible. The latest early Saturday morning from The Athletic makes all the sense in the world and might be a real bum deal for the remaining teams in the Big 12 that will be left when Texas and Oklahoma do end up leaving the conference.

More: What Would All This Mean for Oklahoma State?

According to several of The Athletic’s college sports writers and including the byline writer on the story Max Olson, the Atlantic Coast Conference, Big Ten Conference, and Pac-12 Conference have been engaging in high level conversations with regard to forming a scheduling alliance or something even more concrete. The end game is to match up with the Southeastern Conference after their late July grab of premier Big 12 members Texas and Oklahoma.

Starting with the SEC Football Media Days, SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey has spoke of a need for someone other the NCAA, someone or something that is more capable, take over the lead of directing college athletics. His suggestion seems to be himself and the Southeastern Conference.

Since the news of Texas and Oklahoma leaving and the quick process of those schools notifying the Big 12 and then being invited, being approved, and accepting that approval, the other leagues and the remaining Big 12 teams have been crisscrossing in communication and looking for answers to the future. The Athletic is reporting that one answer may be the rest of the Power Five schools minus the remaining Big 12 schools ganging together.

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Jim Phillips is taking a big role as he has been named to the NCAA Constitutional 

The Athletic reported on Saturday morning that Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff, Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren and ACC commissioner Jim Phillips have been having conversations for several weeks.

“I’ve been in frequent and regular contact with all of the other A5 commissioners the last few weeks about the complex issues that are facing the industry,” Kliavkoff told The Athletic. He also made it clear in his conversation with the online sports/news website, that there’s “nothing to report on this specific matter at this time.”

Matt Fortuna of The Athletic reported that an implementation committee had been formed among the three conferences to further study such an alliance. Fortuna, who regularly covers Notre Dame and the Big Ten reported further that the ACC representatives on the committee are Clemson AD Dan Radakovich, North Carolina AD Bubba Cunningham and Virginia AD Carla Williams.

Now The Athletic insinuates that the Big 12 schools would not be a part of this. As Fortuna wrote:

While this alliance would presumably mean Power 5 leagues will not look to poach Big 12 members and helps keep the eight members together, this is not a good development for Bowlsby. The Big 12 could focus its efforts on expansion going forward, but trying to align with a Power 5 league was considered a preferable possibility.

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If this were chess, Bowlsby may be in checkmate.

Olson was also the first to report nearly a week and a half ago that Kliavkoff was meeting with Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby. That meeting as Pokes Report first reported went for two days and also supposedly involved talks of a scheduling alliance that could progress into a merger. Again, nothing concrete coming out of the meeting that Bowlsby briefed his school’s CEOs on the day following.

Okay, to sum this up. The ACC, Big Ten, and Pac-12 looking to counter the move the SEC made of adding Texas and Oklahoma is looking to combine forces in some fashion. Earlier this week, quietly the NCAA announced a constitution committee with the hopes of a new proposed governance format. If that were to come to pass then an alliance of the three conferences (ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12) could be the source of the most power and influence with 41 votes to 16 over the SEC. The Big 12 brings eight votes.

Fortuna reports that ACC commissioner Jim Phillips, one of the 23 members of that NCAA Constitution Committee told his athletic directors Phillips, that strength comes in numbers, not in one conference stacking the deck. This is where the real difference could come for these three conferences.

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Potential Power Play to the SEC by ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12 Reported by The Athletic

7,839 Views | 13 Replies | Last: 3 yr ago by Danny Deck
AustinCowboy88
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Two comments about the article from the Atlantic

1) exploring all options for these conferences seems very reasonable. Just like each of the Big 12 teams are most likely doing. Times they are changing, be the bear not the eaten!

2) just because the Big 12 and specifically OSU isn't mentioned in this article, I very much think some or all the big 12, especially OSU will have a nice power chair when the music stops. While not provable as of yet, I count on the power of the product/packaging people to configure matchups and games that sell to eyeballs. OSU will be part of that product/package mix. Compelling content sells!

I see a number of power plays over the next X amount of time at the network level, conference level and individual team level unfolding. It will be fascinating (and a bit unnerving) to watch.
CaliforniaCowboy
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sort of like the Electoral College in the US Constitution.... strength in numbers, not in how important some think they are.

If this group could direct the 12-team playoff to include six conference champs, then we're still in the game, and likely BETTER OFF than joining one of the other leagues.

(better off in terms of being conference champs, regular top 20 and in the playoff mix frequently)



CaliforniaCowboy
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AustinCowboy88 said:

Times they are changing, be the bear not the eaten!

like those are the only two options?

How about being the Cheetah, or the Bison? No bear is going to catch or eat either one of those.

Perhaps every Poke fan should have a bear-skin rug in front of their fireplace.

Hey, hey.... a roll of SEC toilet-paper for everybody!

GO POKES!
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CloudyPoke
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It looks to me as though , at a university level , we could build our own TV system and cut out sespn and others. Look at the money involved , and the money to be made ,
















CaliforniaCowboy
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CloudyPoke said:

It looks to me as though , at a university level , we could build our own TV system and cut out sespn and others. Look at the money involved , and the money to be made ,
everything is possible....

http://orangetvnetwork.syr.edu/

OTN is student produced TV and it's on the air 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Our student crews produce comedy, sports, dance, music and artistic performances all over campus that have you, the student, as the star. We're not afraid to say it: It's all about you!
NJAggie
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

sort of like the Electoral College in the US Constitution.... strength in numbers, not in how important some think they are.

If this group could direct the 12-team playoff to include six conference champs, then we're still in the game, and likely BETTER OFF than joining one of the other leagues.

(better off in terms of being conference champs, regular top 20 and in the playoff mix frequently)




One of the early casualties of the SEC's move was that these three conferences moved into opposition of that change. They believe it was created with this move in mind and the SEC eyeing landing 5 or 6 in the playoffs each year.

Now that doesn't mean playoff expansion is dead, but it'll be different than than model. But would also probably be more likely to include conference champs than more at large teams.
CaliforniaCowboy
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NJAggie said:


One of the early casualties of the SEC's move was that these three conferences moved into opposition of that change. They believe it was created with this move in mind and the SEC eyeing landing 5 or 6 in the playoffs each year.

Now that doesn't mean playoff expansion is dead, but it'll be different than than model. But would also probably be more likely to include conference champs than more at large teams.
of course... but how many conference champions? 4 or 5 or 6. At the time of the proposal there were 5 Power5 conferences and the AAC...... (6 champions)

Now everything is up in the air.... P4 conference champions, plus 8 at large teams including at least 3 SEC teams, 2 B1G teams and 2 ACC teams, 1 Pac12 team... unless ND is good, then they get an ACC spot.

wink, wink, wink, wink
Danny Deck
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The Pac 12 tried this at a conference level and it has been a disaster. The LHN has likewise been a disaster although for ESPN not Texas.

If we had a large enough fanbase to make our own network profitable, we likely would already have a new conference home.
CaliforniaCowboy
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Danny Deck said:

The Pac 12 tried this at a conference level and it has been a disaster. The LHN has likewise been a disaster although for ESPN not Texas.

what is the BTN, then?

https://btn.com/

NJAggie
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Danny Deck said:

The Pac 12 tried this at a conference level and it has been a disaster. The LHN has likewise been a disaster although for ESPN not Texas.

If we had a large enough fanbase to make our own network profitable, we likely would already have a new conference home.
PAC 12 Net's issue was they first tried to make it too complicated with 7 different feeds, one for each paired market in the conference footprint and a 7th for outside the footprint. They couldn't get any carriage in the East and so they really have been low balled on revenue.

They also did it themselves so part of the low revenue has been that current revenue has been poured into the debt on the network. They are now nearing paying it off, which will be a big increase in revenue for them all. And one of the things about joining the PAC is that you would have to buy into the network so initially you'll be paying the conference a part of your revenue.

LHN was a disaster, because UT is not as important as they imagine themselves to be. As I told one horn fan blowing on about how valuable they are. Based on his opinion UT shouldn't bother with all these other schools and simply scrimmage themselves a dozen times each year name themselves universal champ and make more money than there is in the world. There were never going to be enough viewers to make it work. ESPN basically bought UT's football program for that $20M a year for 20 years and they've been telling UT what to do since then.

A conference streaming network is a must have going forward and if done properly would bring in money. No one is getting an on cable network ala B1G & SEC. But, get it out of the hands of ESPN, and into your own and collect that money. The Big XII subscription fees alone are probably keeping the books afloat over there right now.
Danny Deck
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Supported by Fox so it has much better carriage.
Danny Deck
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I feel certain that the next Pac deal will include handing the network over to Fox or ESPN. If you want to be on cable you need to be supported by one of those two companies.

I agree it is mandatory, but running it on your own will not work. You have to have someone who can bully the cable providers on your side.

Since the remaining Big 12 teams had to give up their third tier rights for basically nothing I don't think anyone can think we'd bring enough eyeballs to do it alone.
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