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Report: Big 12 to Meet With Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah

July 5, 2022
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STILLWATER – Could we have another new-look Big 12 soon? According to reports from out west, the Big 12 is set to meet with Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah about possibly joining the conference.

While this move wouldn’t make the Big 12 the strongest conference in the country, it would certainly put it on more solid ground numbers-wise following the UCLA/USC to the Big Ten bombshell that dropped last week.

As for making the most sense for Oklahoma State, the jury’s still out on that one.

Let’s take a look at these four teams as they make sense geographically based on the remaining Pac-12 schools, but that’s about it, other than Utah.

The Utes joined the Pac-12 in 2011 and have sense gone 86-50, 53-42 in Pac-12 play, with three nine-win seasons, two 10-win seasons and one 11-win season, compared to just two losing seasons (both came in the first three seasons). They’ve steadily gotten better since joining the Pac-12 and is arguably the toughest out week in and week out in the Pac-12, big brands included.

In that same span, Arizona went 57-74 overall, 33-62 in Pac-12 play, with just one 10-win season and six losing seasons.

Arizona State has been a bit better as the Sun Devils went 77-57 overall, 47-38 in Pac-12 play, with two 10-win seasons and just two losing seasons. However, they could be getting in some hot water with NCAA violations in the coming years.

Colorado has been the worst of the four schools having gone 47-83 overall since joining the Pac-12 in 2011, including 26-67 in Pac-12 play. The Buffs have had just two winning seasons, including the 4-2 COVID-shortened season. They did go 10-4 in 2016, which was capped off with a 38-8 loss to Oklahoma State in the Alamo Bowl.

Should this move go through, the Big 12 would be up to 16 schools with the subtraction of OU and Texas and the addition of BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and UCF. And it would certainly further strengthen the Big 12 when it came to the Olympic sports.

Pokes Report also learned the possible moves of Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten aren’t as certain as we were all led to believe over the weekend. There’s now a report from CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd of the Big 12 reaching out to the four schools, as well as Oregon and Washington. So, just about every possibility is on the table.

However, we all know the expansion talk taking place is based on football programs wanting to leave and play in higher revenue conferences, such as the Big Ten and SEC.

So, when we look at the value added by adding the four schools mentioned above, other than geography, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, especially when it comes to what's best for Oklahoma State football and the future of the athletic department.

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Report: Big 12 to Meet With Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah

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CaliforniaCowboy
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please don't quote or reference Dennis Dodd.... the guy is a buffoon.

Dodd is a thayer evans wannabe, a click bait king in his own mind.
Orangeheart72
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Wonder what the restrictions/legalities are of these decisions being made as far as the "vote" of UCF, Cincinnati, Houston and BYU. Do they care, are they hyped, do they even have a vote, etc.
Ok_state_fan78
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ASU and Utah I get, but Colorado and Az seem not to add much unless you compare them to Cinn.
CaliforniaCowboy
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Ok_state_fan78 said:

ASU and Utah I get, but Colorado and Az seem not to add much unless you compare them to Cinn.
Colorado for the Denver market (somewhat similar to ASU and Phoenix), and AZ due to basketball.... at least according to the pundits.


NJAggie
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Well all four of those schools look to be in the value range of our current schools. CU & UA are towards the low end, but have name recognition.

CU's BoR met Tuesday night and are meeting again tonight. They seem most ready to move as they fear getting left in the MWC, and we can remember how they cut their own deal and announced early in the day when they left. So them moving alone is not out of character.

UA seems the one that wants to move most, so if CU moves they'll not be far behind.

You can't always cherry pick. Sometimes you have to let things flow your way. The B1G has enough money to pick and choose, the Big XII doesn't.

Thamel has said the PAC/ACC thing is going nowhere as no money in it. So if ESPN is even saying its a bad deal you can mark it off. He also said the best thing was for the best of the Big XII & PAC to move to the ACC, so now that seems to be ESPN's game.

Wilner from San Jose is totally dropping the PAC surviving and pushing a PAC South to Big XII and PAC North minus OrSt & WSU to ACC.

These guys need time to figure out they need to move.
CaliforniaCowboy
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geopolitically speaking (i.e., not exclusively football).... Oregon and Washington just don't fit the B12 "conservative" lean. They were more than happy to exclude OSU from joining the PAC back in the day because we weren't woke enough and liked liberty, it's sadly ironic that has now come full circle.

AZ is moderately conservative, Utah definitely is, and Colorado is somewhat purple, and they're good geographical fits.

UO and UW don't fit geographically or geopolitically, they don't like us (as people) and are simply trying their best to not become totally irrelevant. They fit better with the B1G let them go there.

Washington State I feel for, since they're trying to move Western Washington to Idaho anyway (western Oregon too, but OSU is not really located in the western part of that State)

NJAggie
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ESPN+ has an article up basically with Swarbrick saying ND is not joining the B1G at this time. ND has a network partner and a path to the playoffs so no move.

Now we may see the fun begin as Washington & Oregon will find out their B1G future pretty quickly now.
CaliforniaCowboy
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NJAggie said:

ESPN+ has an article up basically with Swarbrick saying ND is not joining the B1G at this time. ND has a network partner and a path to the playoffs so no move.

Now we may see the fun begin as Washington & Oregon will find out their B1G future pretty quickly now.
everybody and their brother has already made it abundantly clear that ND was not going to commit to anything until after the playoff expansion decision was made, and that's not in active discussion atm.

The PAC already said they're not going to do anything until after their 30-day negotiation window, and possibly a subsequent negotiation window with the "non exclusive" bidders.

None of these teams have any reason to panic, at least not until after their valuation is determined.

I'd be surprised if anything other than "tentative/contingent" moves are announced until after the PAC finishes their talks with the Media companies.
NJAggie
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

NJAggie said:

ESPN+ has an article up basically with Swarbrick saying ND is not joining the B1G at this time. ND has a network partner and a path to the playoffs so no move.

Now we may see the fun begin as Washington & Oregon will find out their B1G future pretty quickly now.
everybody and their brother has already made it abundantly clear that ND was not going to commit to anything until after the playoff expansion decision was made, and that's not in active discussion atm.

The PAC already said they're not going to do anything until after their 30-day negotiation window, and possibly a subsequent negotiation window with the "non exclusive" bidders.

None of these teams have any reason to panic, at least not until after their valuation is determined.

I'd be surprised if anything other than "tentative/contingent" moves are announced until after the PAC finishes their talks with the Media companies.
Not really everybody and their brother may have speculated that ND wasn't moving, but this is actually Swarbrick saying they aren't moving. So now Oregon & Washington can find out if they get in the B1G.

The PAC stated that but none of the member schools have committed to that. They all sent out the stated PAC HQ sent them, and kept looking and talking. And it sounds like all they're getting is a no from FOX and ESPN offering nothing.

I don't think the schools will wait, because the PAC figures may never come. They'd need Oregon & Washington to publicly commit to the school and extending the GoR once a deal is signed and that doesn't seem forthcoming.
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