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Welcome to the Big 12 and Major College Athletics, but Shrum Prepared

July 22, 2021
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STILLWATER – Shortly after the publication of this story, new Oklahoma State University President Dr. Kayse Shrum and new athletic director Chad Weiberg will meet virtually with their counterparts in the Big 12 Conference as the other seven schools and the conference office try and navigate the bomb shell story by Texas A&M beat reporter Brent Zwerneman that Oklahoma and Texas had major discussions with the Southeastern Conference about joining that league.

Pokes Report learned that despite being invited, Oklahoma and Texas did not attend the meeting. Also, simultaneously as the Big 12 was meeting, the Southeastern Conference was on a conference call. 

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First big test for Weiberg and Shrum as leaders in Big 12.

We’ve learned a lot about the move made by Texas and Oklahoma to join the SEC. The two Big 12 schools used a law firm to serve as a third party and open up negotiations on the Sooners and Longhorns moving to the SEC. The discussions are much further down the road than anybody imagined and the leak by a Texas A&M official to Zwermeman. Texas A&M is hoping to avert especially Texas joining the conference as their desire since leaving the Big 12 in 2012 was to stay away from Texas.

Dr. Shrum is equipped to be in this position and Oklahoma State and quite possibly the Big 12 is in better shape to have her there. Dr. Shrum has lots of connections and there is some discussion that she may have even been aware of some of what Oklahoma was involved in doing with Texas. Shrum is also a tough individual that isn’t afraid to make tough decisions.

Thursday’s meeting includes both Presidents and Chancellors along with athletic directors. I would expect the CEOs to be very involved.

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Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby was caught flat-footed.

I was told late this afternoon that Oklahoma and Texas hope to be out of the Big 12 in January and participate in spring sports possibly in the SEC. That is quick meaning football or men’s and women’s basketball might be the end of the Big 12 existence for OU and UT.

In other words, this meeting on Thursday is not going to be light in content, but a hard-core meeting where decisions need to be made. I will be interested in seeing if the remaining eight Big 12 schools have the discipline to stay together and make Oklahoma and Texas forfeit their television rights money or does every school act in an everyman for themselves manner and the Big 12 dissipates?

This meeting could tell us a lot.

Oklahoma State and the other seven Big 12 schools will need to think about their future. Oklahoma State is most likely a candidate for either the ACC or the Pac-12 and many believe the Pac-12 is the most likely. 

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Welcome to the Big 12 and Major College Athletics, but Shrum Prepared

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GumbyFromPokeyLand
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OU and UT pulling an aTm. They are confusing $$$ with the opportunity to win championships. What good is more $$$ if you are less competitive? Think of it like this - would anyone trade OSUs success (regardless of how you define it) for Vanderbilts TV paycheck? I know, that's a little extreme, but you get the point. I don't care what aTm fans say publicly, but their move to the SEC cost their donors hundreds of millions of dollars with no success whatsoever just for the opportunity to say they are in the SEC.
TUSKAPOKE
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I want Dr. Shrum and Weiberg to get OSU to the best Power 5 conference by January and the Hell with how Zero U, their in-state supporters and weak BIG 12 Commissioner Bowlsby think or feel about it. The 64 team four super conference alignment needs to happen before the TV contracts end because the race has started. The SEC and football blue bloods are kicking the inept NCAA to the curb and running college football. We just need to survive this and let Zero U and the Shorthorns hit the road. The Big 12 has been weak, shown that weakness by letting the Shorthorn network alone and is short for the world. Let's go and establish new ties and rivalries because out of chaos comes opportunity. The SOONER the better! Good riddance and my favorite teams are now OSU and whoever is playing the Shorthorn steers and Zero U. AMEN!
Joe Khatib
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Thank God we are in the position wher we have a product, football and now a rising basketball program, that would be very very attractive to another conference and have a large seat at the table. I agree with Robert, THIS IS ALL ABOUT FOOTBALL and even schools like Kansas and Baylor that have both won NCAA titles in basketball in the last fifteen years have to be nervous because of the current state of their football peograms!!!
NJAggie
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Well if those two plan to be out by January then ESPN is behind this.

Leaving that soon would mean the Big XII would still have the rights to all their home games, and they would be paying an exit fee. So someone is willing to bankroll this move, and I don't think that's the SEC.

Good news is the rest of the schools should have time to decide their next steps, and plenty of extra cash to spread around.
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Does anyone honestly feel that the XII can pull through this with adding some teams if uo and tx run away?
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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We'll, if OU and UT are gone, the future TV revenue for the B12, regardless of additions, is gonna pale in comparison to all other P5 leagues. The obvious move is to get with a conference that will allow us to maintain our athletic lifestyle. P12 or ACC would seem the only reasonable landing spot with the P12 at the top of the list.
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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betwixted said:

Does anyone honestly feel that the XII can pull through this with adding some teams if uo and tx run away?


Only if we are willing to accept a +50% pay cut.
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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BTW, If I was KU, KSU or ISU, I'd be nervous as hell.
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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Prediction time.
A new 4 conference 64 team super league will form. The SEC now has their 16 teams. Here's how the rest of the P5 will look:
ACC- adds ND and WVU
B10 - adds KU and ISU
P12 - adds OSU, TTech, TCU and either Baylor or KSU.
Baylor or KSU get kicked to the curb.
Joe Khatib
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I disagree Gumby, the two who get left out are Baylor and TCU because the PAC doesn't want religious affiliated schools n their conference. I think it is West Virginia and either OSU or Kansas in the ACC because Notre Dame will demand their independence and then ISU and possibly Kansas in the Big 10, then Texas Tech, KSU, OSU ( if available) to the PAC and one other (who that is could be anybody's guess maybe they invite Boise State). I think we have very good options even though we would be the outlier in the ACC like West Virginia was in the Big XII. It will be very interesting to see how things shake out even though I am not a fan of going west because that will be the number four conference in the pecking order.
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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Joe Khatib said:

I disagree Gumby, the two who get left out are Baylor and TCU because the PAC doesn't want religious affiliated schools n their conference. I think it is West Virginia and either OSU or Kansas in the ACC because Notre Dame will demand their independence and then ISU and possibly Kansas in the Big 10, then Texas Tech, KSU, OSU ( if available) to the PAC and one other (who that is could be anybody's guess maybe they invite Boise State). I think we have very good options even though we would be the outlier in the ACC like West Virginia was in the Big XII. It will be very interesting to see how things shake out even though I am not a fan of going west because that will be the number four conference in the pecking order.


ND will HAVE to go somewhere. No way they can stay independent in a 64 team super league.
CaliforniaCowboy
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betwixted said:

Does anyone honestly feel that the XII can pull through this with adding some teams if uo and tx run away?
with Bowlsby running things maybe not... with someone strong then it could easily be done.

There are big TV markets out there to be had (added). Seriously, what are we talking about here the OKC and Houston TV markets (or parts of them)?

San Diego is 4 million TV market, Orlando or Tampa are huge TV markets, there are options to keeping the TV stuff appealing to networks.
Danny Deck
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Times have changed. People are moving away from cable/satellite in favor of OTT services. Media markets matter far less than the audience you can draw from wherever. There is no one the Big 12 will have that can draw an audience on their own if OU and Texas leave, and there is no one that would move to the Big 12 that can do so.

If/when OU and Texas leave, we have to find a P4 home, the remnants of the Big 12 are not viable without a blue blood.
CaliforniaCowboy
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just curious how you came up with only 4 conferences and 64 teams.... if that were the case then there would be no need to expand the playoff. Let the 4 conference champions playoff and we're done.

Limiting it to 64 teams could mean that the NCAA would have to fold/reorganize or create a new Div 1-AAA.

What would actually work better is 8 conferences with decent team representation with the conference winners in a playoff

The NCAA could do this (create a playoff), because of the shear numbers of schools that vote that would be excluded by some of these scenarios.... If the NCAA voted for a playoff of champions, then reorganization would need to occur or the elite teams would bolt from the NCAA and it would crumble.

just wondering why 4 conferences, and does that dictate a 4-team playoff, which would be the only obvious reason to limit it to 4 conferences.

Danny Deck
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There are currently 5 conferences, and one is about to die. Those 10 teams are divided up by the 4 remaining conferences and one school in the current P5 is left out (please be Baylor).
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

betwixted said:

Does anyone honestly feel that the XII can pull through this with adding some teams if uo and tx run away?
with Bowlsby running things maybe not... with someone strong then it could easily be done.

There are big TV markets out there to be had (added). Seriously, what are we talking about here the OKC and Houston TV markets (or parts of them)?

San Diego is 4 million TV market, Orlando or Tampa are huge TV markets, there are options to keeping the TV stuff appealing to networks.


Careful about equating population to TV eyes. Anyone would want the Houston market, but not by adding Texas Southern. Same goes for any number of apathetic California schools.
CaliforniaCowboy
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

betwixted said:

Does anyone honestly feel that the XII can pull through this with adding some teams if uo and tx run away?
with Bowlsby running things maybe not... with someone strong then it could easily be done.

There are big TV markets out there to be had (added). Seriously, what are we talking about here the OKC and Houston TV markets (or parts of them)?

San Diego is 4 million TV market, Orlando or Tampa are huge TV markets, there are options to keeping the TV stuff appealing to networks.


Careful about equating population to TV eyes. Anyone would want the Houston market, but not by adding Texas Southern. Same goes for any number of apathetic California schools.
Texas Southern? how about by adding U of H? Or A&M or Rice - for goodness sakes... or don't add anybody from there because all of our conference schools already have huge alumni populations there.

besides, my point was we could abandon that market for what little Texas adds to Houston, and make up for it with other markets (that I listed). Apathetic California schools? you're not just disparaging the Aztecs simply based on your personal bias, are you? SDSU is bigger than almost all B12 schools and has fantastic sports programs and facilities, and is building a brand new football stadium. It might need to be expanded a bit for Big 12 standards, but likely not by much. SDSU has more research than OSU, and frankly more of everything except for conference dollars.

good lord man, let's have a discussion without the disingenuous commentary with extreme examples, and personal bias against other programs.




CaliforniaCowboy
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Danny Deck said:

There are currently 5 conferences, and one is about to die. Those 10 teams are divided up by the 4 remaining conferences and one school in the current P5 is left out (please be Baylor).
ahh.... I'm 100% sure there are more than 5 conferences... unless you're only talking about Power 5..

but in that case, we would not need an expanded playoff. I would be okay with this, but the rest of the college football world (i.e., NCAA) probably would not be okay excluding so many D1-A teams.

A 4-conference super league? I'm not sure that even makes any logistical sense (seedings, who plays whom, etc.). I acknowledge that a couple of fans are fantasizing about that, but that's way too complicated to pull off and still maintain any semblance of equity.
NJAggie
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The reality is that this all in the hands of the TV people. ESPN pushed ou/ut to the SEC, and IF they decide to they, and/or FOX, will pave the way for schools left in the Big XII to go somewhere else. OR, they won't.

At this point playing in a reduced value TV package in the "new" Big 8 may be the best deal on the table.

ESPN lured teams away from the Big XII. They crippled the league with the LHN when UT wanted to go West and leave their control. They vetoed expansion when they were contractually obligated to pay for it. They carved up the Big East and paid to keep the ACC from collapsing when it should have. Follow the money people. Yes ou/ut are on the hook for this, but you can bet that its ESPN all the way.
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

Danny Deck said:

There are currently 5 conferences, and one is about to die. Those 10 teams are divided up by the 4 remaining conferences and one school in the current P5 is left out (please be Baylor).
ahh.... I'm 100% sure there are more than 5 conferences... unless you're only talking about Power 5..

but in that case, we would not need an expanded playoff. I would be okay with this, but the rest of the college football world (i.e., NCAA) probably would not be okay excluding so many D1-A teams.

A 4-conference super league? I'm not sure that even makes any logistical sense (seedings, who plays whom, etc.). I acknowledge that a couple of fans are fantasizing about that, but that's way too complicated to pull off and still maintain any semblance of equity.



If you don't think a 64 team non-ncaa super league is not considered the ultimate target of many of the college football power brokers, you might just want to exit the conversation now because you're waaaay out of touch.
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

betwixted said:

Does anyone honestly feel that the XII can pull through this with adding some teams if uo and tx run away?
with Bowlsby running things maybe not... with someone strong then it could easily be done.

There are big TV markets out there to be had (added). Seriously, what are we talking about here the OKC and Houston TV markets (or parts of them)?

San Diego is 4 million TV market, Orlando or Tampa are huge TV markets, there are options to keeping the TV stuff appealing to networks.


Careful about equating population to TV eyes. Anyone would want the Houston market, but not by adding Texas Southern. Same goes for any number of apathetic California schools.
Texas Southern? how about by adding U of H? Or A&M or Rice - for goodness sakes... or don't add anybody from there because all of our conference schools already have huge alumni populations there.

besides, my point was we could abandon that market for what little Texas adds to Houston, and make up for it with other markets (that I listed). Apathetic California schools? you're not just disparaging the Aztecs simply based on your personal bias, are you? SDSU is bigger than almost all B12 schools and has fantastic sports programs and facilities, and is building a brand new football stadium. It might need to be expanded a bit for Big 12 standards, but likely not by much. SDSU has more research than OSU, and frankly more of everything except for conference dollars.

good lord man, let's have a discussion without the disingenuous commentary with extreme examples, and personal bias against other programs.







Are you seriously suggesting anyone that's paying the bills gives more than a flying flip about SDSU?

FYI - the B12s last discussion about a new/different TV contract with ESPN resulted in ESPN telling us the next TV deal was gonna be for less money. That's why OU and UT are leaving. Imagine the new TV deal we get with Houston or SDSU as replacements. It would be an unmitigated disaster.
CaliforniaCowboy
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:





If you don't think a 64 team non-ncaa super league is not considered the ultimate target of many of the college football power brokers, you might just want to exit the conversation now because you're waaaay out of touch.
no thanks, you can leave.

I never said anything like what you just stated, what I said was there would not be a 64-team super league without a lot of fallout.

you just might want to make you points without alleging stuff about other people. Either that or take a reading comprehension class. Why do you always make your posts personal about others?

Just say what you want about the topic, and leave your opinion of my out of the discussion. Thank you.

(oh, and so glad to hear that you are in touch.... kudos.. good job, keep up the good work)
CaliforniaCowboy
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it was not FYI - I ALREADY SAID THAT. "That ESPN money would be less". Less for everybody.

try to keep up. We could have a decent conversation if you would stop behaving as you do in these posts.

I've gone out of my way to try and not say anything of a personal nature in the posts. Please give it a shot.

Thanks
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:





If you don't think a 64 team non-ncaa super league is not considered the ultimate target of many of the college football power brokers, you might just want to exit the conversation now because you're waaaay out of touch.
no thanks, you can leave.

I never said anything like what you just stated, what I said was there would not be a 64-team super league without a lot of fallout.

you just might want to make you points without alleging stuff about other people. Either that or take a reading comprehension class. Why do you always make your posts personal about others?

Just say what you want about the topic, and leave your opinion of my out of the discussion. Thank you.

(oh, and so glad to hear that you are in touch.... kudos.. good job, keep up the good work)


You said a 64-team league was just a couple of fans' fantasy.

"A 4-conference super league? I'm not sure that even makes any logistical sense (seedings, who plays whom, etc.). I acknowledge that a couple of fans are fantasizing about that, but that's way too complicated to pull off and still maintain any semblance of equity."

As I stated, it's not just a couple of fans fantasy. It's mainstream discussion. Denying its attractiveness to many of the football people in a position to influence decisions is ample evidence of an out of touch fan.
CaliforniaCowboy
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:





You said a 64-team league was just a couple of fans' fantasy.

"A 4-conference super league? I'm not sure that even makes any logistical sense (seedings, who plays whom, etc.). I acknowledge that a couple of fans are fantasizing about that, but that's way too complicated to pull off and still maintain any semblance of equity."

As I stated, it's not just a couple of fans fantasy. It's mainstream discussion. Denying its attractiveness to many of the football people in a position to influence decisions is ample evidence of an out of touch fan.
I just not going to fight with you and your inane statements. I said a lot of things. I said the things that you left out of this post too, didn't I? You just want to argue with people.

(about it collapsing the entire structure). Didn't I?

It would be nice if you could be more polite to others.
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:





You said a 64-team league was just a couple of fans' fantasy.

"A 4-conference super league? I'm not sure that even makes any logistical sense (seedings, who plays whom, etc.). I acknowledge that a couple of fans are fantasizing about that, but that's way too complicated to pull off and still maintain any semblance of equity."

As I stated, it's not just a couple of fans fantasy. It's mainstream discussion. Denying its attractiveness to many of the football people in a position to influence decisions is ample evidence of an out of touch fan.
I just not going to fight with you and your inane statements. I said a lot of things. I said the things that you left out of this post too, didn't I? You just want to argue with people.

(about it collapsing the entire structure). Didn't I?

It would be nice if you could be more polite to others.


When you say things that are untrue, you might just expect to get corrected.
CaliforniaCowboy
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I don't say things that are not true. If I do, I correct it or apologie. Your opinion is what you posted. Your opinion of who you think is important and relevant, and you want to fight about that.

move on to something useful, and quit trying to pick fights.
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