Oklahoma and Texas Officially File for SEC Membership in 2025

I'm a lot more worried today than I was a couple of days ago. The report yesteday about the Big Ten sticking to their guns on the AAU thing and then the PAC-12 commish today essentially poo-pooing the idea of expansion are both huge red flags.

I wouldn't put too much weight on public statements for the time being. Less than a week ago OU and Texas weren't commenting about anonymous rumors they were going to the SEC.

Well RA just announced on air that Chip Brown is reporting ESPN is willing to pay out the remainder of the LHN contract to UT so that it can be used to pay out the exit fees for OU & UT. So you can move that timeline to 2022.

Whether or not the deals with the Big 10 (AAU accreditation) or the PAC12 (standing pat on expansion) are true or not, I highly doubt that either conference would be likely to give out positive feedback until there was more certainty and clarity to any proposals. No conference is going to give out information unless it's pretty solid for fear of it coming back in their face as did the sneaky ou and UT deals going on unbeknownst to Big 12 partners.

We still haven't heard from the ACC. I would think they'd want to be more proactive against SEC expansion than eventually learn the hard lesson of too late reactive measures by the Big 12.

I'd say we may have to start facing the harsh, cold reality that we aren't as coveted as we'd like to think we are. Don't get me wrong, I love OSU as much as anyone alive, but to have nowhere to go but down is not a pleasant thought.

Oh, sure. Let's put some lipstick on a pig and say how we could rule the new Big 12 conference and go to CFP because of our conference championship, but winning a Big 12 conference with mobile homes and modular houses in a upper class stick built neighborhood is not going to fly.

Let's hope we're just being held out of the loop until something solid develops or that the ACC is considering it's options to expand.
Any other leftover options are just too depressing to consider.

Danny Deck said:

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I wouldn't put too much weight on public statements for the time being. Less than a week ago OU and Texas weren't commenting about anonymous rumors they were going to the SEC.

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although.... I was just on the OSU ticket site because they sent me an email

I was shocked how many available seats it appears that there are, with only a month before kickoff.

The uncertainty could either sink ticket sales permanently, or if marketed correctly, could help sell tickets this year.

come see OSU play bedlam in BPS for possibly the last time!!! (for example)

Zach Lancaster said:

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How many season tickets are still available? I got that email as well, but didn't click on it.

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I did not try to count them, but every section looks like it's about only half full.

some of the WEZ and the areas around the 50 yard line are much more full, but there were so many open seats it was shocking.

I looked for the $350 seats that they advertise, and those are only in the NE corner (section 332 I think)

you can buy seats along the 50, even some down in the lower sections.

Lots of Club seats too.... but those are only on the ends (all 4 ends)

DOK article from earlier this month said they were ahead of 2019 pace for season ticket sales. Couldn't find exactly what that meant quickly.

Danny Deck said:

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DOK article from earlier this month said they were ahead of 2019 pace for season ticket sales. Couldn't find exactly what that meant quickly.

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I saw that report as well, which is why I was so surprised.

Obviously the haven't started student ticket sales, which is why they use the prior season pace verbiage, but looking at the sections, the student section is blocked off, and is not part of the available seats that I"m talking about.

I pull up the seating screen practically every year, and I don't think I've seen it like this. Maybe my memory is not what it was... but goodness, only one month until the season

Sorry, I meant that I couldn't find what that meant in hard numbers as in we've sold 40K season tickets this year where it was 38K this time in 2019.

I heard a report that a supposedly credible media source says the Pac 12 has began feelers internally about adding only TTech and OSU to their conference. That to me would be a great outcome compared to a watered down Big XII or an unlikely tie to the ACC. And right or wrong, I don't think the Big X will accept the Oklahoma State academic brand, probably just based largely on the name/location/national image of Oklahoma/OSU. The Pac 12 will be TV powerful, decent money, and we'd see Oregon, U.S.C, UCLA, Arizona, Washington, Stanford....playing in Boone Pickens (and no boomer/sooners). Worse outcomes than that are certainly out there IMO.

Orangeheart72 said:

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I heard a report that a supposedly credible media source says the Pac 12 has began feelers internally about adding only TTech and OSU to their conference. That to me would be a great outcome compared to a watered down Big XII or an unlikely tie to the ACC. And right or wrong, I don't think the Big X will accept the Oklahoma State academic brand, probably just based largely on the name/location/national image of Oklahoma/OSU. The Pac 12 will be TV powerful, decent money, and we'd see Oregon, U.S.C, UCLA, Arizona, Washington, Stanford....playing in Boone Pickens (and no boomer/sooners). Worse outcomes than that are certainly out there IMO.

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Winding up in the PAC with Tech wouldn't be a bad outcome for us.

If anything is happening it would be a move towards a dual super conference system with the SEC/ACC as one and the B1G/PAC as the other so entry either place is good.

If that occurred We'd probably be in a division with USC, UCLA, UA, ASU and CU with UU moving to the North.

Orangeheart72 said:

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I heard a report that a supposedly credible media source says the Pac 12 has began feelers internally about adding only TTech and OSU to their conference. That to me would be a great outcome compared to a watered down Big XII or an unlikely tie to the ACC. And right or wrong, I don't think the Big X will accept the Oklahoma State academic brand, probably just based largely on the name/location/national image of Oklahoma/OSU. The Pac 12 will be TV powerful, decent money, and we'd see Oregon, U.S.C, UCLA, Arizona, Washington, Stanford....playing in Boone Pickens (and no boomer/sooners). Worse outcomes than that are certainly out there IMO.

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Hope the PAC scenario is true. Fact is, TCU brings nothing the PAC won't already get with the OSU/TT combo. All they'll do is dilute the pie. There are TONS of Tech and OSU people in DFW, so they won't need TCU or Baylor to secure the DFW market. Also, although they'll never admit it, the ou/texas people in DFW and Oklahoma will still watch us and Tech. If for no other reason than curiosity, and the fact that now there will be better and more interesting 9PM games on with OSU and Tech in the PAC. I have no problem with Baylor getting left out. I've never liked them and they are dirty, always have been. The PAC will very likely enter in to some kind of scheduling deal with the BIG, so that would be huge as well. I think this would be the most realistic and best outcome for OSU.

Darth Vader said:

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There are TONS of Tech and OSU people in DFW, so they won't need TCU or Baylor to secure the DFW market.

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watch out!!! you can't say DFW Market !!!

duck real quick; Gumby is going to come around and club you. They're "viewers", not a market.

I went to the Tulsa area today and listened to the Zero U Sewerners Radio with Pat Jones. They believe the ACC and Big 10 are out and see OSU moving west to make the PAC-16 along with one or two TX teams (TT/TCU) or raiding the AAC for UH, UCF, USF, Memphis, Cincinnati, SMU and maybe BYU and Boise. They discussed OSU having a better chance of winning the conference and going to the 12 team playoff. They indicated it is not as lucrative as the SEC meat grinder but would be attractive to TV and open up recruiting Florida and the west. It is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$! We shall see. Goodbye Sewerners and Shorthorn steers!!! I look forward to the SEC showing you mediocrity. I am excited about the future and new rivalries. Let's go ASAP....remain the Big 12 + 8 and make them negotiate a settlement since they are actively planning on playing in the SEC in 2022.

I have mixed thoughts about a move to the 12 Pac... namely I just don't like the fans from most of those geographies, and also, moving most of our games to the bad-coast time zone will absolutely kill our viewership.

The populous East Coast just doesn't stay up to watch late games played in the West, which badly skews the "viewership" for teams, simply because the major population centers have gone to bed, or hit the nightclubs.

I think it would absolutely kill our brand.

I hope this is right cause things are looking kinda bleak right now.
If OSU and TT are the only two Big XII teams added to the PAC, then perhaps the game between us could become a neutral site game in Jerry World? Just spit balling right now.

TUSKAPOKE said:

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I went to the Tulsa area today and listened to the Zero U Sewerners Radio with Pat Jones. They believe the ACC and Big 10 are out and see OSU moving west to make the PAC-16 along with one or two TX teams (TT/TCU) or raiding the AAC for UH, UCF, USF, Memphis, Cincinnati, SMU and maybe BYU and Boise. They discussed OSU having a better chance of winning the conference and going to the 12 team playoff. They indicated it is not as lucrative as the SEC meat grinder but would be attractive to TV and open up recruiting Florida and the west. It is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$! We shall see. Goodbye Sewerners and Shorthorn steers!!! I look forward to the SEC showing you mediocrity. I am excited about the future and new rivalries. Let's go ASAP....remain the Big 12 + 8 and make them negotiate a settlement since they are actively planning on playing in the SEC in 2022.

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Did Pat say he would still stick with his decision in 1984 to try to beat Nebraska 3 -0, or run out the clock at halftime against OU in 1990 and not punt to give them a Hail Mary touchdown.

Joe Khatib said:

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TUSKAPOKE said:

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I went to the Tulsa area today and listened to the Zero U Sewerners Radio with Pat Jones. They believe the ACC and Big 10 are out and see OSU moving west to make the PAC-16 along with one or two TX teams (TT/TCU) or raiding the AAC for UH, UCF, USF, Memphis, Cincinnati, SMU and maybe BYU and Boise. They discussed OSU having a better chance of winning the conference and going to the 12 team playoff. They indicated it is not as lucrative as the SEC meat grinder but would be attractive to TV and open up recruiting Florida and the west. It is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$! We shall see. Goodbye Sewerners and Shorthorn steers!!! I look forward to the SEC showing you mediocrity. I am excited about the future and new rivalries. Let's go ASAP....remain the Big 12 + 8 and make them negotiate a settlement since they are actively planning on playing in the SEC in 2022.

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Did Pat say he would still stick with his decision in 1984 to try to beat Nebraska 3 -0, or run out the clock at halftime against OU in 1990 and not punt to give them a Hail Mary touchdown.

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we all agree that PJ is an idiot, but the post does say that it's goons making the claims on Pat's show.

the entire goon nation only has one brain cell that they share among themselves.

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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Joe Khatib said:

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TUSKAPOKE said:

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I went to the Tulsa area today and listened to the Zero U Sewerners Radio with Pat Jones. They believe the ACC and Big 10 are out and see OSU moving west to make the PAC-16 along with one or two TX teams (TT/TCU) or raiding the AAC for UH, UCF, USF, Memphis, Cincinnati, SMU and maybe BYU and Boise. They discussed OSU having a better chance of winning the conference and going to the 12 team playoff. They indicated it is not as lucrative as the SEC meat grinder but would be attractive to TV and open up recruiting Florida and the west. It is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$! We shall see. Goodbye Sewerners and Shorthorn steers!!! I look forward to the SEC showing you mediocrity. I am excited about the future and new rivalries. Let's go ASAP....remain the Big 12 + 8 and make them negotiate a settlement since they are actively planning on playing in the SEC in 2022.

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Did Pat say he would still stick with his decision in 1984 to try to beat Nebraska 3 -0, or run out the clock at halftime against OU in 1990 and not punt to give them a Hail Mary touchdown.

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we all agree that PJ is an idiot, but the post does say that it's goons making the claims on Pat's show.

the entire goon nation only has one brain cell that they share among themselves.

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Yep, and they didn't let Bob Stoops have it this afternoon when he wrote his op ed.