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Kliavkoff Talks Pac-12 Expansion and The Athletic Reports Alliance Coming

August 20, 2021
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STILLWATER – Lots of realignment rumors, news, information. These days you kind of have to decipher through all the material and then use your best judgement to apply it to your situation which for all of us is Oklahoma State and its future.

Nicole Auerbach of The Athletic is reporting that the possible alliance with the Atlantic Coast Conference, Big Ten, and Pac-12 first reported a week ago on Aug. 13, is moving closer to being announced. Her sources said that announcement could come as early as next week.

While that situation may look to be a negative for Oklahoma State, the truth is the alliance has more to do with governance than it does scheduling or competition. Meanwhile, the new Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff did an interview with his hometown newspaper, the Las Vegas Review-Journal, that discusses potential expansion for the Pac-12 and a timetable for it.

The story was an interview with the new Pac-12 leader and they flat our asked if the Pac-12 was interested or involved in expansion?

“I think we’re really, really happy with the 12 that we have in the league. The opportunity to revisit that following Texas and Oklahoma has certainly presented itself. I am not actively poaching any school or convincing anyone to leave their existing conference, but I wouldn’t be doing my job if I wasn’t listening to schools that wanted to go in the Pac-12, and we’ve had a lot of them reach out,” explained Kliavkoff. “Probably all of the ones you would expect and several you’d be surprised by.

“We have taken initial meetings with everyone that has expressed an interest,” he continued. “We have a working group … who are together deciding on what to recommend … At the end of the day, they’ll make the decision about whether or not to offer admission to the Pac-12 to any other schools.”

Pokes Report knows that Oklahoma State has been in talks several times with the Pac-12, some by phone and some we believe in person. Those talks have been as recent as earlier this week.

Okay, the Review-Journal asked Kliavkoff if there is a deadline? His answer was kind of vague and exact all in one.

“There’s no hard deadline related to any of this, but I would say I don’t think it’s good for college athletics given the vibration that’s going on as a result of the Texas and Oklahoma news,” answered the Pac-12 commissioner. “The quicker we can dampen that vibration, the better. We will have a decision on whether we intend to expand or not in the next couple of weeks.”

Now as for the alliance, sources from various publications and outlets including The Athletic claim the three conferences are sending a message to the SEC and its commissioner Greg Sankey and that is they are going to join together and create a voting block that will not allow him and his conference to become the lead force and top powerbroker and decision maker in the future of college athletics.

That is more what the alliance is about than anything else.

The face of college football is ESPN’s Kirk Herbstreit, and he has been vocal about not liking the place college football is in right now. He spoke on a radio show and mentioned Oklahoma State and some of the remaining schools in the Big12.

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Kirk Herbstreit

“Well, I don’t know what to make of it. I think it’s a great idea," said Herbstreit of the reported alliance between the ACC, Big Ten, and Pac-12. "I think the SEC power play, where they brought in, you know, they were already considered the premier conference for college football and now you bring in two more brands in Texas and Oklahoma. I know on one hand it’s exciting for the SEC if you want to look at it through that lens. But if you choose to look at it through a different lens -- What’s going to happen, not just to the ACC and the Big Ten, but most specifically, what’s going to happen to Kansas State and Iowa State and Texas Tech and Oklahoma State? These are good brands. Where are they going to go? Are they going to try to keep that Big 12 together? Are they going to pick up a Houston maybe?

The truth is picking up Houston or any other Group of Five school couldn’t do it. The Big 12 lives only as long as they are making money off Texas and Oklahoma.

We know Oklahoma State is involved and the process is moving down the road, maybe faster than before.

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Kliavkoff Talks Pac-12 Expansion and The Athletic Reports Alliance Coming

4,901 Views | 7 Replies | Last: 3 yr ago by NJAggie
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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RA,

I'm pretty sure the PAC/B1G/ACC alliance is just as you suggest - it's geared toward governance, not realignment or competition. With the NCAA Constitutional Convention on the horizon, the PAC/B1G/ACC don't want the SEC to determine the path forward for college football, including creating a potential NCAA Championship tournament for football that may come out of the convention.

The other potential (just a wild guess) outcome of the alliance could be a discussion on how the PAC/B1G/ACC leagues would go about expansion so that there's not an all out war (except the SEC) between the alliance members for which schools to add to which conference. Just a thought. If so, we're in great shape.
NJAggie
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By putting even a vague but near timeline on this you have to feel that could press the SEC as well. Or, maybe the SEC rumblings may be pushing the PAC. But it looks like we may have bigger movement sooner rather than later.

I think if the PAC looks at it they have to make a move, and this may be the best if not only move they could make. Bringing in the Big 8 would more than double their viewership numbers, and give them access to the very lucrative 11 am slots.

IF the PAC is going to make the move I think they'll have to bite the bullet and take all three Texas schools as they need to get into Texas. Just as much as the SEC is considering those three to lock them out of Texas.

So I'd see them either taking OSU/TT/BU/TCU or all 8. With the 4 being the most likely option.

So right now I'd say those 4 are in the best position as I think both the PAC and SEC would want them. The other 4 are now the ones in the biggest scramble. I'd prefer it to be all 8, but taking on the dead weight of KU and the east coast island of WVU might be too much. Although getting all 8 gives you the best option to have a good inventory of 11am games, and that is where you get more value from FOX. So we'll see how this plays out in a few weeks.
thetruth
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Question you have to ask is this, is the PAC really a P4 conference now? My answer is no. Adding OSU and whoever won't make it one. Not to mention the other obstacles of being in the PAC. Time zones, huge cultural differences, etc.
Our best hope is that somehow, someway we end up in the B10/SEC.

IF we end up in the PAC we'll be an afterthought, like the PAC is now.
Ostateman
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I don't know about you guys, but that story (or non-story) did not give me any warm & fuzzy feelings about our future as a Power 5 team. In fact, it was more about stopping the planet cobbling of the football blackhole SEC more than anything.

To me, being a part of the PAC isn't as much of a cultural thing if we were in a PAC division that included Colorado (a natural and former partner), Arizona and ASU, possibly Utah to the Big 12 orphans OSU, TT, KU, KSU, TCU and Baylor.
Then, with some interconference scheduling and a few years, the cultural gap would be less after many get a chance to meet us and we them.
We're all good people and great fans of our universities.

What I wanted to hear and didn't hear is that we're still unwanted orphans awaiting adoption by someone.
I'm not worried about WVU. They will and should be in the ACC. They'd be a welcome addition with renewed, natural rivalries back there. They never really belonged in the Big 12 anyway, but we enjoyed their company and beating them while they were around.

We're not going to be asked to join the SEC. I don't know if ou asked about us coming along with them when their secret talks with the SEC began, but no one could ignore the obvious question there. The SEC just didn't think we were good enough to be a part of their party.

So, the ACC, Big 10 and PAC decide to team up to prevent the SEC from getting any more powerful. And we're still outside in the cold, nose-pressed-to-the-glass, watching them all having a good time inside.

We need a miracle.
I know there are rules, but do we really want to follow them now?
Joe Khatib
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Good stuff, I always enjoy reading your posts on this situation
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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Ostateman said:

I don't know about you guys, but that story (or non-story) did not give me any warm & fuzzy feelings about our future as a Power 5 team. In fact, it was more about stopping the planet cobbling of the football blackhole SEC more than anything.

To me, being a part of the PAC isn't as much of a cultural thing if we were in a PAC division that included Colorado (a natural and former partner), Arizona and ASU, possibly Utah to the Big 12 orphans OSU, TT, KU, KSU, TCU and Baylor.
Then, with some interconference scheduling and a few years, the cultural gap would be less after many get a chance to meet us and we them.
We're all good people and great fans of our universities.

What I wanted to hear and didn't hear is that we're still unwanted orphans awaiting adoption by someone.
I'm not worried about WVU. They will and should be in the ACC. They'd be a welcome addition with renewed, natural rivalries back there. They never really belonged in the Big 12 anyway, but we enjoyed their company and beating them while they were around.

We're not going to be asked to join the SEC. I don't know if ou asked about us coming along with them when their secret talks with the SEC began, but no one could ignore the obvious question there. The SEC just didn't think we were good enough to be a part of their party.

So, the ACC, Big 10 and PAC decide to team up to prevent the SEC from getting any more powerful. And we're still outside in the cold, nose-pressed-to-the-glass, watching them all having a good time inside.

We need a miracle.


Don't fret. From a big picture standpoint, the PAC/B1G/ACC alliance portends to have the good of college football (and other athletics) in mind as opposed to the SEC. If that is indeed the case, they will want programs like OSU to survive and thrive. I think it is all good. Be patient.
NJAggie
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I'd go back and re-read that it has a lot of good stuff in it. We may actually be in a great position right now, relative to the other 7 as we're in all conversations and realistic scenarios.

Right now the PAC needs to expand to get more viewers and inventory to push up their numbers. They also need subscriptions for their network. OSU/TT/TCU/BU fit that nicely. If the need for 11 am game slots goes beyond that then the other 4 schools come into play, and that is also a possibility.

Then on the other hand the SEC wants OU & UT out of the Big XII faster than 2025. The GoR has those two locked in so they need to kill the conference. So if the PAC doesn't do it for them taking OSU/TT/TCU/BU locks up Texas and keeps the PAC out of Texas which is all good for the SEC. The ACC schools are locked in by a GoR that runs through 2036 so those are not viable expansion options for the SEC. Heck they may decide they want to expand and nail down Texas, and increase their ability to break away and try to move before the PAC can.

We're not going to know everything that has been discussed and floated or even voted on as this is all non-disclosure territory. That's also why we don't hear much so when you have a commissioner say their going to be announcing action or inaction in 2 weeks time because they want to settle all the speculation that's about as clear a statement as you're going to get.

If you're KU/ISU/WVU/KSU you've got to be hoping for an 8 team move here because if not things get pretty bleak. The B1G is looking for a football boost as their last 2 schools have been football disasters so taking on teams with as bad a history in football as ISU & KU is unlikely (not to mention the ongoing nightmare of adding NU). So any B1G move would be just a charitable one, so very unlikely. The ACC has passed over WVU repeatedly since the conference was formed, and that hard core of resistance to their admission is still there. But even if it has softened the ACC is in no position to expand until 3036 without cutting their per team shares.

If it doesn't happen the fact the alliance keeps stressing they don't want to see teams left behind leads me to believe they'd vote to have the remaining 8 if they have to stay together keep their autonomous status and access to the playoffs which is a huge thing for both money and perception and the value of the TV package we could get.
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