Jakobe Sanders Heads to OSU Mid-Year and Gets a Jump on Signing Day

Hope he's a rare frosh that can help at Center if necessary. UT had 3 true freshman starting against us if I recall correctly. So while it's not ideal, it's worthwhile considering when you're not loaded with healthy, talented and experienced options.

yeah, I can only remember a couple of true freshmen starting on the OLine over the years at OSU.

Marcus Keyes being the most recent, and that's been a few years ago now.

The Mr Pancake kid is about the perfect size for Center. Can't ever have enough quality linemen

not to derail this thread, but I still don't comprehend the 25 limit thingy... and now Robert said this:

" Oklahoma State will sign about 20 players with another seven or eight transfer heading to Oklahoma State out of the portal."

That's 28 kids.

somebody please explain this crazy recruiting math to me.... What about February? Are we done with these 28?

I'm really not understanding how this works.

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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not to derail this thread, but I still don't comprehend the 25 limit thingy... and now Robert said this:

" Oklahoma State will sign about 20 players with another seven or eight transfer heading to Oklahoma State out of the portal."

That's 28 kids.

somebody please explain this crazy recruiting math to me.... What about February? Are we done with these 28?

I'm really not understanding how this works.

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Ok. because of covid, you sign 50 in 2 years. That does not mean 25 per year. That could mean 1 one year and 49 the next. Or 28 this year and 22 next. The mission kid won't count toward any of this because he won't enroll. We signed him because when they come back from mission, they almost always stick with their original school they signed with. He will count when he resigns and enrolls.

Duke Silver said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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not to derail this thread, but I still don't comprehend the 25 limit thingy... and now Robert said this:

" Oklahoma State will sign about 20 players with another seven or eight transfer heading to Oklahoma State out of the portal."

That's 28 kids.

somebody please explain this crazy recruiting math to me.... What about February? Are we done with these 28?

I'm really not understanding how this works.

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Ok. because of covid, you sign 50 in 2 years. That does not mean 25 per year. That could mean 1 one year and 49 the next. Or 28 this year and 22 next. The mission kid won't count toward any of this because he won't enroll. We signed him because when they come back from mission, they almost always stick with their original school they signed with. He will count when he resigns and enrolls.

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this has to do with COVID? They had the one-year waiver last year, where you could sign 7 over. So.. what 2-year period? Is it a "rolling 2-year period"? I'm being totally serious, I don't understand this.

Does this 50 in 2 years end after all the COVID kids have been run through the system?

I think "signing" is different than "enrolling". Signing counts towards the 25, but enrolling counts towards the 85. Isn't that right? Otherwise everybody could over sign and just tell the kids, sorry, no room, just like the old days.

I'm sincerely not trying to be a pest, I just don't get it. Does somebody have a link to the rule, I couldn't find it in my many searches.

NEVERMIND.

I was finally able to find it.

It's a 2-year waiver on the class size, due to the Portal, not COVID, and nothing about 50

NCAA Council eliminates restrictions on recruiting class sizes, FBS conference title game requirements
May 18, 2022

The NCAA Division I Council voted Wednesday to implement a two-year waiver for programs to sign a larger number of recruits as well as remove the requirements for FBS conference championship games, allowing the conferences to decide themselves on how their teams will be eligible for the contest. The initiatives were rubber-stamped following recommendations from the Football Oversight Committee earlier this month.

The change in the initial scholarship counter is a significant development spurred by roster turnover during the transfer portal era. Previously, schools were limited to adding 25 initial scholarship players a year between high school recruits and transfers with some loopholes existing. However, in a time when it's not uncommon for a school to have 20 or more scholarship players entering the portal, the math can become complicated.

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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Duke Silver said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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not to derail this thread, but I still don't comprehend the 25 limit thingy... and now Robert said this:

" Oklahoma State will sign about 20 players with another seven or eight transfer heading to Oklahoma State out of the portal."

That's 28 kids.

somebody please explain this crazy recruiting math to me.... What about February? Are we done with these 28?

I'm really not understanding how this works.

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Ok. because of covid, you sign 50 in 2 years. That does not mean 25 per year. That could mean 1 one year and 49 the next. Or 28 this year and 22 next. The mission kid won't count toward any of this because he won't enroll. We signed him because when they come back from mission, they almost always stick with their original school they signed with. He will count when he resigns and enrolls.

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this has to do with COVID? They had the one-year waiver last year, where you could sign 7 over. So.. what 2-year period? Is it a "rolling 2-year period"? I'm being totally serious, I don't understand this.

Does this 50 in 2 years end after all the COVID kids have been run through the system?

I think "signing" is different than "enrolling". Signing counts towards the 25, but enrolling counts towards the 85. Isn't that right? Otherwise everybody could over sign and just tell the kids, sorry, no room, just like the old days.

I'm sincerely not trying to be a pest, I just don't get it. Does somebody have a link to the rule, I couldn't find it in my many searches.

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Yes because of Covid super seniors. It is this class and next class. There isn't a 25 so that doesn't matter. I don't know how it works with the 50.

Congratulations to you and your family!!! I know Grandpa and Grandma are proud of you too!!! GO POKES!!!

https://stacksports.captainu.com/what-the-ncaas-new-recruiting-rules-mean-for-football-recruits/

So the 50 doesn't look like a hard rule, just guideline. The 85 is the limit

Thanks Duke

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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No it has to do with covid but correct on 50

Duke Silver said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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No it has to do with covid but correct on 50

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the "article" that you posted said Covid, but nothing in the NCAA legislation. It just means there are more kids available to be in the portal because of extra eligibility.

It specifically calls out the losses due to the Portal. Maybe that's why they only gave it a 2 year waiver, after that the number of kids in the "potential pool of players" will go down.

regardless, I now understand what is going on.

Thanks again

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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Duke Silver said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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No it has to do with covid but correct on 50

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the "article" that you posted said Covid, but nothing in the NCAA legislation. It just means there are more kids available to be in the portal because of extra eligibility.

It specifically calls out the losses due to the Portal. Maybe that's why they only gave it a 2 year waiver, after that the number of kids in the "potential pool of players" will go down.

regardless, I now understand what is going on.

Thanks again

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2 year waiver is the best way to explain it. The intent is for high school kids. There would have been a few years where a bunch of them would not get a place to go because of covid returners.

Duke Silver said:

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2 year waiver is the best way to explain it. The intent is for high school kids. There would have been a few years where a bunch of them would not get a place to go because of covid returners.

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okay... but it explicitly said this:

The change in the initial scholarship counter is a significant development spurred by roster turnover during the transfer portal era.

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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Duke Silver said:

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2 year waiver is the best way to explain it. The intent is for high school kids. There would have been a few years where a bunch of them would not get a place to go because of covid returners.

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okay... but it explicitly said this:

The change in the initial scholarship counter is a significant development spurred by roster turnover during the transfer portal era.

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In May of 2022, the NCAA removed the traditional 25 scholarship per year limit for Football Bowl Subdivision schools. The removal of the cap was driven by the popularity of the one-time transfer rule and the additional year of eligibility granted to every student-athlete during the pandemic.