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Things Have Deteriorated, Media and Fans Are Better Loyal, True, and Classy

December 28, 2022
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PHOENIX, Ariz. – You don’t have to like the result of the Guaranteed Rate Bowl. Things have changed in a calendar year. In a few days it will be the year anniversary of Oklahoma State pulling off the thrilling comeback to beat Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl and finish as a top 10 team with a 12-2 record. Tuesday night Oklahoma State at least kept pushing and even lucked out with a fourth quarter touchdown and added a field goal to get back in a game that looked long gone before losing to Wisconsin 24-17.  

Sitting in the postgame press conference between two of his players in Jason Taylor II and Brennan Presley, Cowboys head coach Mike Gundy did not deserve this.

Gundy was asked by a reporter whether he planned to make staff changes. Anyone with experience as a competitor would know that is too soon to go that direction. The wounds are too fresh from a season with a rough finish. Besides, these are coaches and staff that have been responsible for a lot of wins and success. They deserve more respect as does Gundy and those players sitting with him. 

Those people will all be on a charter flight home tomorrow and it is not fair for wives and children to hear that from a press conference and wonder if their lives are about to change drastically. There is a procedure. Is Mike Gundy going to examine his program, players, schemes, coaches, staff. Yes, he does every season. Could he make changes? Sure, and he has before. Is he going to announce it first to the media? No.

There is a classy way to run a program and to deal with people that have worked hard and given great effort to contribute to a football program. That is the way Mike Gundy has and will continue to run his program. 

There is also a way for media members to act and conduct themselves. I get it. The social media and Twitter world where people can act foolish and choose if they want to be identified has outrageous takes all the time. I’ve dealt with some of this myself this season at Triple Play Sports Radio. Fans can, and often do step over the line. It is, unfortunately the society we live in. Media don’t need to act like fans. They too are professionals. They are supposed to be. 

If there will be changes, they will happen. I know that Mike Gundy intends to change some facets of the program. There are things that he firmly believes can be done better and must be done better. There will be a time and a place to address any and all of those. It was not in that media room in Chase Field after a tough loss to Wisconsin. 

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Things Have Deteriorated, Media and Fans Are Better Loyal, True, and Classy

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GumbyFromPokeyLand
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

LS1Z28 said:

Thanks for the info, Cali! I figured they forgot to renew something, but I'm surprised it's taken this long to fix. Hopefully they'll have it back up and running soon.

I've missed having you on the other sites to argue with. I need to stop by this site more often.
Thanks.

but dad gum it, I don't argue, I present facts. I have nothing to argue about

I will defend my team against the defamers, but that's not arguing, I use facts to make a point.

but thanks again.

(that's wasn't arguing with you, was it)?


"I dont argue."

LOL
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

LS1Z28 said:

Thanks for the info, Cali! I figured they forgot to renew something, but I'm surprised it's taken this long to fix. Hopefully they'll have it back up and running soon.

I've missed having you on the other sites to argue with. I need to stop by this site more often.
Thanks.

but dad gum it, I don't argue, I present facts. I have nothing to argue about

I will defend my team against the defamers, but that's not arguing, I use facts to make a point.

but thanks again.

(that's wasn't arguing with you, was it)?


"I dont argue."

LOL
yeah, I would not expect you to understand that, but you just want to argue with everybody.... just like you just did here. (and frankly, every thread).

I present facts and have discussions. unlike you're did to, did not, line of reasoning.

besides, I include the humor at the end (in parenthesis) that I might be a bit off base....

but no matter, there you are with the attack.
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Continuously misrepresenting an opinion as fact is in FACT arguing.
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Coach Gundy is paid 7.5 mill w/ a 1-mill retaining bonus to answer questions. A good answer would've been, we always evaluate the program after every season, thanks. Or no comment.

Calling a guy an a$$ and saying that he might revoke press privileges, which will make it tough for Marshall Scott to do his job was HYPOCRITICAL when the HC is up there saying it's about people's jobs and family, no???
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PaloDuroPoke said:

Great post and my feelings exactly. I get that players have given their time and effort but they receive great benefits at our university. The investment made by the university through alumni and donor support is not valued many times. Sanders for example gave us a lot. This university through our donations gave him a lot as well. I'm not picking on him but his decision, and others, looks bad and ungrateful in my eyes. It's not just him. Our society is rewarding selfishness and my fear is that alumni will not reward that behavior. It's the culture we have and grew up with.
Sanders leaving, he could still return though, says a lot though. Has anyone that's been at oSu during his time as QB1 showed more loyalty to the school and program than him? There are big problems behind the scenes, and it'll get worse if no changes are made IMO.
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Osufenceman said:

rcfb said:

As a highest paid individual in state of Oklahoma, Gundy should expect tough questions from anyone from media all the time.

Gundy sanpped yesterday and threatened livelihood of a member. Sooner he does something about it, the better. Expecting media members to not ask tough questions is laughable. And trying to control them using media access is further laughable.

And going after the reporter here in this story is not really helpful for Gundy or OSU.

Calling PFB media is laughable. It's amazing they are credentialed with their past.

Agree w/ everything you said except the last part. Not enough cheerleading by PFB for you or something? I don't think their past is anything bad at all, except the homerism can be a bit too thick at times...
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principalg said:

GreyGhost,

I agree with number 2. After the bs performance by our offense this year, I believe I would be a little less arrogant in my response.

There has to be staff changes on offense. My goodness, play calling and offensive line play have been pathetic all year. If I was as inept as Dickey and Dunn, you would not have to fire me. I would resign.
So you think Dunn is not handcuffed in the plays HE wants to call as well as the whole game plan offensively???
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Cdub234 said:

At what point do schools start to simply pull scholarships from a kid they deem isn't living up to his potential or even from injured players? A large number of the kids now don't even know what the word "commitment" means, and after seeing some of our guys leave and their statements, they have a poor grasp of what the words "loyal", "true" and "forever" also mean.

And I'm with you all, the transfer portal now combined with out of control NIL $ is ruining the sport we love and have supported financially and in the stands for decades.
Scholarships are year to year, guess you don't know...
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TeaTownCowboy said:

Cdub234 said:

At what point do schools start to simply pull scholarships from a kid they deem isn't living up to his potential or even from injured players? A large number of the kids now don't even know what the word "commitment" means, and after seeing some of our guys leave and their statements, they have a poor grasp of what the words "loyal", "true" and "forever" also mean.

And I'm with you all, the transfer portal now combined with out of control NIL $ is ruining the sport we love and have supported financially and in the stands for decades.
Scholarships are year to year, guess you don't know...

Scholarships are no longer year to year. In 2015 all P5 conferences agreed to require scholarships to be 4 years, or 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility.
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TeaTownCowboy said:

Coach Gundy is paid 7.5 mill w/ a 1-mill retaining bonus to answer questions. A good answer would've been, we always evaluate the program after every season, thanks. Or no comment.

Calling a guy an a$$ and saying that he might revoke press privileges, which will make it tough for Marshall Scott to do his job was HYPOCRITICAL when the HC is up there saying it's about people's jobs and family, no???

No. If Marshall Scott can't perform his job, that's on him. What Gundy said doesn't have anything to do with someone on staff losing or keeping his job. It was about not discussing the status of "jobs" in the media before such status can be evaluated and discussed in private.

Why are people so confused by this?
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

TeaTownCowboy said:

Coach Gundy is paid 7.5 mill w/ a 1-mill retaining bonus to answer questions. A good answer would've been, we always evaluate the program after every season, thanks. Or no comment.

Calling a guy an a$$ and saying that he might revoke press privileges, which will make it tough for Marshall Scott to do his job was HYPOCRITICAL when the HC is up there saying it's about people's jobs and family, no???

No. If Marshall Scott can't perform his job, that's on him. What Gundy said doesn't have anything to do with someone on staff losing or keeping his job. It was about not discussing the status of "jobs" in the media before such status can be evaluated and discussed in private.

Why are people so confused by this?
Because we need to set the narrative
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TeaTownCowboy said:

principalg said:

GreyGhost,

I agree with number 2. After the bs performance by our offense this year, I believe I would be a little less arrogant in my response.

There has to be staff changes on offense. My goodness, play calling and offensive line play have been pathetic all year. If I was as inept as Dickey and Dunn, you would not have to fire me. I would resign.
So you think Dunn is not handcuffed in the plays HE wants to call as well as the whole game plan offensively???
Were those handcuffs on or off the first half of the season? Second half?

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

TeaTownCowboy said:

principalg said:

GreyGhost,

I agree with number 2. After the bs performance by our offense this year, I believe I would be a little less arrogant in my response.

There has to be staff changes on offense. My goodness, play calling and offensive line play have been pathetic all year. If I was as inept as Dickey and Dunn, you would not have to fire me. I would resign.
So you think Dunn is not handcuffed in the plays HE wants to call as well as the whole game plan offensively???
Were those handcuffs on or off the first half of the season? Second half?


No, guy. Gundy doesn't care. He saw the offense doing good. Got jealous and told Dunn what to call. Then we started losing.
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Duke Silver said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

TeaTownCowboy said:

principalg said:

GreyGhost,

I agree with number 2. After the bs performance by our offense this year, I believe I would be a little less arrogant in my response.

There has to be staff changes on offense. My goodness, play calling and offensive line play have been pathetic all year. If I was as inept as Dickey and Dunn, you would not have to fire me. I would resign.
So you think Dunn is not handcuffed in the plays HE wants to call as well as the whole game plan offensively???
Were those handcuffs on or off the first half of the season? Second half?


No, guy. Gundy doesn't care. He saw the offense doing good. Got jealous and told Dunn what to call. Then we started losing.


It never ceases to amaze me how locked-in our fans are. In essence, the fix is always - "just call better plays."

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

Duke Silver said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

TeaTownCowboy said:

principalg said:

GreyGhost,

I agree with number 2. After the bs performance by our offense this year, I believe I would be a little less arrogant in my response.

There has to be staff changes on offense. My goodness, play calling and offensive line play have been pathetic all year. If I was as inept as Dickey and Dunn, you would not have to fire me. I would resign.
So you think Dunn is not handcuffed in the plays HE wants to call as well as the whole game plan offensively???
Were those handcuffs on or off the first half of the season? Second half?


No, guy. Gundy doesn't care. He saw the offense doing good. Got jealous and told Dunn what to call. Then we started losing.


It never ceases to amaze me how locked-in our fans are. In essence, the fix is always - "just call better plays."


I remember when the offense looked good under Yurcich. People said that Dunn or arroyo had taken over playcalling. It's always something.
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Duke Silver said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

Duke Silver said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

TeaTownCowboy said:

principalg said:

GreyGhost,

I agree with number 2. After the bs performance by our offense this year, I believe I would be a little less arrogant in my response.

There has to be staff changes on offense. My goodness, play calling and offensive line play have been pathetic all year. If I was as inept as Dickey and Dunn, you would not have to fire me. I would resign.
So you think Dunn is not handcuffed in the plays HE wants to call as well as the whole game plan offensively???
Were those handcuffs on or off the first half of the season? Second half?


No, guy. Gundy doesn't care. He saw the offense doing good. Got jealous and told Dunn what to call. Then we started losing.


It never ceases to amaze me how locked-in our fans are. In essence, the fix is always - "just call better plays."


I remember when the offense looked good under Yurcich. People said that Dunn or arroyo had taken over playcalling. It's always something.


Or, when the offense is humming, Gundy isn't involved, but when it sucks, he's calling the plays.

Insanity is a way of life in Stilly.
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

LS1Z28 said:

Thanks for the info, Cali! I figured they forgot to renew something, but I'm surprised it's taken this long to fix. Hopefully they'll have it back up and running soon.

I've missed having you on the other sites to argue with. I need to stop by this site more often.
Thanks.

but dad gum it, I don't argue, I present facts. I have nothing to argue about

I will defend my team against the defamers, but that's not arguing, I use facts to make a point.

but thanks again.

(that's wasn't arguing with you, was it)?
Haha, I was just joking around. We've had a lot of spirited debates throughout the years over sports and politics, but I've always enjoyed them.

I didn't agree with the decision to ban you and Gumby from the other sites. You're both very opinionated, but I never saw you post anything that should've led to a permaban. Some people are just too sensitive.
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LS1Z28 said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

LS1Z28 said:

Thanks for the info, Cali! I figured they forgot to renew something, but I'm surprised it's taken this long to fix. Hopefully they'll have it back up and running soon.

I've missed having you on the other sites to argue with. I need to stop by this site more often.
Thanks.

but dad gum it, I don't argue, I present facts. I have nothing to argue about

I will defend my team against the defamers, but that's not arguing, I use facts to make a point.

but thanks again.

(that's wasn't arguing with you, was it)?
Haha, I was just joking around. We've had a lot of spirited debates throughout the years over sports and politics, but I've always enjoyed them.

I didn't agree with the decision to ban you and Gumby from the other sites. You're both very opinionated, but I never saw you post anything that should've led to a permaban. Some people are just too sensitive.


Well, I now know what happens when you merely suggest the moderator has censorship policies resembling Xi Jinping. The irony was totally lost on him.
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The real breaking news is cali is apparently banned on multiple other sites. That's epic to me! Mr tool bag himself
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Nailed it
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I noticed that he was no longer a member and just an amateur on this site.
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

Duke Silver said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

TeaTownCowboy said:

principalg said:

GreyGhost,

I agree with number 2. After the bs performance by our offense this year, I believe I would be a little less arrogant in my response.

There has to be staff changes on offense. My goodness, play calling and offensive line play have been pathetic all year. If I was as inept as Dickey and Dunn, you would not have to fire me. I would resign.
So you think Dunn is not handcuffed in the plays HE wants to call as well as the whole game plan offensively???
Were those handcuffs on or off the first half of the season? Second half?


No, guy. Gundy doesn't care. He saw the offense doing good. Got jealous and told Dunn what to call. Then we started losing.


It never ceases to amaze me how locked-in our fans are. In essence, the fix is always - "just call better plays."


It is almost as good as Boone, Mike Holder, Barack Obama, Mary Fallon, and Garth Brooks ordering Mike to hire Dana Holgersen in 2010 and that was the reason we won the Big XII in 2011!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOL
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Duke Silver said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

TeaTownCowboy said:

Coach Gundy is paid 7.5 mill w/ a 1-mill retaining bonus to answer questions. A good answer would've been, we always evaluate the program after every season, thanks. Or no comment.

Calling a guy an a$$ and saying that he might revoke press privileges, which will make it tough for Marshall Scott to do his job was HYPOCRITICAL when the HC is up there saying it's about people's jobs and family, no???

No. If Marshall Scott can't perform his job, that's on him. What Gundy said doesn't have anything to do with someone on staff losing or keeping his job. It was about not discussing the status of "jobs" in the media before such status can be evaluated and discussed in private.

Why are people so confused by this?
Because we need to set the narrative


Check out the "battle of the coordinators" thread. Talk about a narrative.
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

Continuously misrepresenting an opinion as fact is in FACT arguing.
no... this ^^^^ is arguing.

facts are facts, whether you believe it or not. You don't get to change definitions or facts.

did to... did not... did to. did not

why do you even bother to post, all you do is cherry pick lines from posts that you can argue with

just stop
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Pokes4158 said:

The real breaking news is cali is apparently banned on multiple other sites. That's epic to me! Mr tool bag himself
it's not epic, and it's not news... big red. All you have to do is ask me. And I mostly only posted on the off-topic boards.

Fuzzy banned me from OP cancel culture board for quoting President Johnson on their off-topic board. I guess the former President can say stuff, but we peons can't then quote them. I was one of the original mods on that board, you know that right? I asked to be removed.

The Bugeater (Cody) banned me from GoPokes because too many whiners (like you) complained that they couldn't defend their BS against me. Go on over to those boards if you want. The funny part was one of their ignorant mods (tresfriend) sent me a PM saying "I don't know if I can save you this time with the new regime change".... I responded I did not need to be saved by him, I needed to be saved FROM him, because he didn't do his freaking job and keep the bashers from attacking the other posters, like you do here in your posts, and in your post above.

Why did you call me out here? What was your purpose? Why are you calling me names (tool bag) and attacking me? It's not allowed. what you just did IS THE DEFINITON of tool bag.

mods please, can't we do something about people making posts like that? There was no purpose for that post except to attack me for no reason.
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

Continuously misrepresenting an opinion as fact is in FACT arguing.
no... this ^^^^ is arguing.

facts are facts, whether you believe it or not. You don't get to change definitions or facts.

did to... did not... did to. did not

why do you even bother to post, all you do is cherry pick lines from posts that you can argue with

just stop


Irony (not surprisingly) lost.
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

Continuously misrepresenting an opinion as fact is in FACT arguing.
no... this ^^^^ is arguing.

facts are facts, whether you believe it or not. You don't get to change definitions or facts.

did to... did not... did to. did not

why do you even bother to post, all you do is cherry pick lines from posts that you can argue with

just stop


Irony (not surprisingly) lost.
go away.... bogus accusations are not irony, it's called defamation, slander, smearing.

go fight with those new guys that you've been arguing with
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Pokes4158 said:

The real breaking news is cali is apparently banned on multiple other sites. That's epic to me! Mr tool bag himself
You mean like the tool bag that threatened people Cowboy Red!!!
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I called you out so you can face the reality. You aren't innocent you are just presenting facts. You aren't a good ol boy just posting on osu forums. You're a troll. You treat people like ***** You and joe team up on people and basically online bully them. But in yalls eyes it's just normal operation. But now we all know you are so bad and it's not even just here. You got kicked off of other sites. Osu related websites didn't want you. Let that set in. They did see you as a positive osu person. They saw you as a problem. A negative influence on their websites so they removed you. And I love it that's why I called it out. Me and others have tried to be nice but you are the biggest troll I've ever seen. You don't care about osu you just want to argue. You enjoy making others feel bad. I have watched you do it for 2-3 years now. It's great satisfaction knowing that a couple people out there have you what you deserve and kicked you off their sites. Extreme satisfaction because that doesn't happen unless it's deserved. Fake osu fan. Troll. It's always epic when a troll gets what they deserve. Payment to other for having to deal with all your negativity for so long. Now I know you don't see it that way right? They were cancel culture types and just couldn't handle to all mighty wisdom and words of cali cowboy. Yeah right. Keep telling yourself that. Troll. Keyboard warrior
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The irony is the title of this thread is "Things Have Deteriorated, Media and Fans Are Better Loyal, True, and Classy". Think about it.
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CanadianCowboy said:

The irony is the title of this thread is "Things Have Deteriorated, Media and Fans Are Better Loyal, True, and Classy". Think about it.
yeah, so true... but look at the post just above yours... he flat out states his calling me out ... to fight with me.

you're a mod, somebody have a talking with this guy. He breaks every freaking board rule, so why bother to have board rules.

with the influx of folks from OP, it way past time now to reintroduce the rules.

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Believe me when I say the guy I'm calling out isn't loyal or classy. So again mind ya business
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I called it out simply to piss you off cali not to fight. You deserve it man. My soul purpose was to get back at you for all the trash you have put on here. People will look at what's right in front of them and can argue I'm doing wrong right now and that's fine but what they don't know or care about us all the posts over the years that you terrorized. I can't count how many times people tried to be civil and you just egged it on. You have call names also. No one ever said anything. So I don't care about forum rules. Truly I don't. I remember cali and your behavior and me bringing up how you've been kicked off other sites is strictly between me and you. Others just choose to involve themselves. If mods truly cared on pokes report then they would have booted you a long time ago. Hell I remember tagging a few posts and saying they should kick all of us off. I'd be more than willing to go if you also got what you deserved
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You were both called out on that, and Cali has changed the tenor and content of his posts. At the time I said to Cali's assertion that you should be banned that if one goes you both go. At THIS time, you have not shown very well that you are willing to keep to a topic and if you go, you will go alone. My advice, again, is to knock it off and be a positive contributor to the topics on the board. You can do that - I've seen you make good posts, so I know you can. Let's keep this an O-State sports board.
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No never said a word when I changed my tone and ignored them but they continued to post and troll on everything I posted. You said nothing. You are biased bro. How can you be a moderator and be biased?
 
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