Tyreek Smith to Enter the Transfer Portal

The party's over....turn out the lights...." for the season and probably HCMB's tenure at OSU. I like HCMB but this is a mess and OSU deserves much better. 18 years of mediocre basketball....enough is enough!

Does the transfer portal allow unlimited transfers with no penalty to the players? It has totally depleted our team. It is looking better for the walk-on players. Anyone have explanations what is happening inside the hoops program? The girls team seems to have similar problems.

Two years ago, we had about 6 forwards that all seemed like clones of each other fighting for playing time. Now they have all transferred or are trying to transfer. Let's get some variety in here.

Also, are these players that are transferring for the second time but not graduates going to have to sit out a year?

Sad.

Not sure what to say, the guys that were here weren't really producing a lot of wins…lots of opportunities for immediate playing time for some transfers but sure doesn't seem like many are beating down the doors to come. Could be a VERY bad team next year.

This is a shame. I wish we could've held on to Smith. He played hard and had a great attitude and was the kind of player who'd be a good influence on the incoming Freshmen.

Expected.

HoustonPoke said:

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Does the transfer portal allow unlimited transfers with no penalty to the players? It has totally depleted our team. It is looking better for the walk-on players. Anyone have explanations what is happening inside the hoops program? The girls team seems to have similar problems.

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Going forward, every player gets one "free" transfer beginning 2022 (I believe) regardless of any transfers before 2022. Additional transfers require a sit-out year.

HoustonPoke said:

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Does the transfer portal allow unlimited transfers with no penalty to the players? It has totally depleted our team. It is looking better for the walk-on players.

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As of Aug 31, 2022. NO, according to the NCAA link below, a player cannot transfer to another Div 1 school a second time without sitting out.

A waiver could be obtained but the NCAA further restricted the criteria for getting a waiver.

If there is something more current than this ruling, it's not showing up in my searches. If there is something more current I would appreciate a post or link to that info.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2022-08-31/ncaa-division-i-board-adopts-changes-transfer-rules

... transfer rules recommended by the Division I Transformation Committee are intended to provide greater clarity for student-athletes and member schools within the transfer landscape across all sports. The rules changes are effective immediately.

The board opted not to enact a new exception to the transfer rules that would allow student-athletes to transfer multiple times and be immediately eligible

The board also adopted new, more specific standards for immediate eligibility waivers for student-athletes who do not otherwise meet the one-time transfer exception, focusing on student-athlete well-being or circumstances outside the student-athlete's control.

Way too many transfers, even in this current environment.

Need to make a change.

Most teams lose players because 1. they can't break the rotation so they make a downward or vertical move for more playing time or 2. the player has really improved and are moving to a more competitive team/conference for visibility/growth/wins. The frustrating part is that OSU transfers don't fit either group. These guys all got plenty of playing time in the best conference and none of them outshined their teammates. So they are just leaving because they don't fit in or think they can improve more somewhere else?

HoustonPoke said:

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Does the transfer portal allow unlimited transfers with no penalty to the players? It has totally depleted our team. It is looking better for the walk-on players. Anyone have explanations what is happening inside the hoops program? The girls team seems to have similar problems.

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HP, starting this year it limits players to one transfer with immediate eligibility. It does still allow for graduate transfers with immediate eligibility. So everyone transferring out would be eligible immediately right now, but they would be stuck with their next school.

So anyone that transfers in this year would be looking at loosing a year of eligibility unless they are a graduate transfer.

MB is going to have a lot of portal recruiting to do. While I grew to love the effort out of the guys he brought in, their level of play doesn't make me think he's going to easily bring in the right level of quality and mix that is needed to make next years team work.

NJAggie said:

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So everyone transferring out would be eligible immediately right now, but they would be stuck with their next school.

So anyone that transfers in this year would be looking at loosing a year of eligibility unless they are a graduate transfer.

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Newton and Cisse were both Juniors, have they graduated?

Zach Lancaster said:

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RodeoPoke said:

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NJAggie said:

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So everyone transferring out would be eligible immediately right now, but they would be stuck with their next school.

So anyone that transfers in this year would be looking at loosing a year of eligibility unless they are a graduate transfer.

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Newton and Cisse were both Juniors, have they graduated?

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Anderson III, Boone and Smith are grad transfers, so they have immediate eligibility. Cisse and Newton, as far as I've been told, have not graduated yet and will need a waiver from the NCAA.

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Anderson and Boone have never transferred, so they would be first time transfers and immediately eligible anyway.

I know the rule has changed, but I didn't think it affected anyone transferring this year, and 2nd transfers only dated from this round. If indeed Cisse is going to lose a year of eligibility it might be wise to let him know he has the option to return.

RodeoPoke said:

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Zach Lancaster said:

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NJAggie said:

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So everyone transferring out would be eligible immediately right now, but they would be stuck with their next school.

So anyone that transfers in this year would be looking at loosing a year of eligibility unless they are a graduate transfer.

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Newton and Cisse were both Juniors, have they graduated?

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Anderson III, Boone and Smith are grad transfers, so they have immediate eligibility. Cisse and Newton, as far as I've been told, have not graduated yet and will need a waiver from the NCAA.

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Anderson and Boone have never transferred, so they would be first time transfers and immediately eligible anyway.

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Every transfer in this cycle is immediately available.

NJAggie said:

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I know the rule has changed, but I didn't think it affected anyone transferring this year, and 2nd transfers only dated from this round. If indeed Cisse is going to lose a year of eligibility it might be wise to let him know he has the option to return.

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the rule was changed Aug 31 of last year, and was listed as effective immediately.

maybe there is something going on with Cisse and Newton that makes them believe they can get a waiver, I'm not sure what that would be, but with the state of our program it might be possible.

actually, the rule was NOT CHANGED, but instead the board ruled that they would stick with the old rules of only one transfer without penalty, and they also made the waiver criteria more stringent.

Seems like within this post there are 3-4 interpretations of what this new transfer rule is. Hopefully the NCAA is providing more clear guidance to these students about what to expect.

WichitaCowboy said:

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Seems like within this post there are 3-4 interpretations of what this new transfer rule is. Hopefully the NCAA is providing more clear guidance to these students about what to expect.

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I provided a link to the NCAA site where they explain it.

I agree with you about the rule and also echo "What are Cisse and Woody thinking?" Are they misinformed about their requirement to sit out a year if they transfer? Do they have some special reason for a waiver? Or do they think sitting out is better that sticking with OSU?

WichitaCowboy said:

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I agree with you about the rule and also echo "What are Cisse and Woody thinking?" Are they misinformed about their requirement to sit out a year if they transfer? Do they have some special reason for a waiver? Or do they think sitting out is better that sticking with OSU?

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The magic words NCAA!!! That's why it takes a Harvard trained lawyer to figure out the interpretation!

NJAggie said:

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HoustonPoke said:

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Does the transfer portal allow unlimited transfers with no penalty to the players? It has totally depleted our team. It is looking better for the walk-on players. Anyone have explanations what is happening inside the hoops program? The girls team seems to have similar problems.

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HP, starting this year it limits players to one transfer with immediate eligibility. It does still allow for graduate transfers with immediate eligibility. So everyone transferring out would be eligible immediately right now, but they would be stuck with their next school.

So anyone that transfers in this year would be looking at loosing a year of eligibility unless they are a graduate transfer.

MB is going to have a lot of portal recruiting to do. While I grew to love the effort out of the guys he brought in, their level of play doesn't make me think he's going to easily bring in the right level of quality and mix that is needed to make next years team work.

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Not only that but the school has to eat the scholarship. Say we get a portal guy with three years to play, he transfers again and we have to eat the scholarship until he would have graduated.

This isn't hard. ANY non-graduate athlete that has not transferred during the 22-23 school year (even if such athlete has transferred prior to the 22-23 school year) is free to transfer once at any time during his/her remaining eligibility without penalty. Any graduate athlete can transfer at any time prior to exhausting their eligibility without penalty.

The easy way to say it is, the one-time no-penalty transfer rule begins with the 22-23 school year for every non-graduate athlete. EVERYTHING before 22-23 doesn't count.

Just to be clear, every player on our current roster with remaining eligibility is free to transfer without penalty.

RodeoPoke said:

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NJAggie said:

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I know the rule has changed, but I didn't think it affected anyone transferring this year, and 2nd transfers only dated from this round. If indeed Cisse is going to lose a year of eligibility it might be wise to let him know he has the option to return.

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the rule was changed Aug 31 of last year, and was listed as effective immediately.

maybe there is something going on with Cisse and Newton that makes them believe they can get a waiver, I'm not sure what that would be, but with the state of our program it might be possible.

actually, the rule was NOT CHANGED, but instead the board ruled that they would stick with the old rules of only one transfer without penalty, and they also made the waiver criteria more stringent.

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Incorrect, Cali. Cisse and Newton can transfer without waiver.

sports illustrated also reported in March that 2-transfer players must get a waiver for 2023-24 season eligibility (i.e., this coming season)



https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football/college-football-transfer-portal-rule-change-ncaa

From ESPN 2 days ago (4/20)

Earlier this spring, the NCAA sent out a memo regarding two-time transfers who aren't classified as graduate transfers. In the past, undergraduate student-athletes could apply for waivers to be eligible immediately, citing any number of reasons: a coaching change, a coach "running them off" in favor of a better player, or something else. The new memo clearly states those reasons aren't going to be approved anymore. Essentially, the only acceptable reasons for undergraduate waivers will now be issues relating to mental health, physical well-being, discrimination and learning disabilities.

Some schools -- and judging by the number of two-time undergraduate transfers in the portal, some players -- are taking a cynical approach, saying "we'll believe it when we see it" when it comes to the NCAA denying waivers to hundreds of student-athletes.

As waivers get denied or it becomes clear two-time undergraduate transfers are going to be required to sit a year, we'll explore splitting up the immediately eligible and sit-out transfers into two different categories. Just like the old days ... of three years ago.

Note: The transfer window for men's basketball undergraduates closes May 11.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/35426192/men-college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2023-24-season

RodeoPoke said:

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From ESPN 2 days ago (4/20)

Earlier this spring, the NCAA sent out a memo regarding two-time transfers who aren't classified as graduate transfers. In the past, undergraduate student-athletes could apply for waivers to be eligible immediately, citing any number of reasons: a coaching change, a coach "running them off" in favor of a better player, or something else. The new memo clearly states those reasons aren't going to be approved anymore. Essentially, the only acceptable reasons for undergraduate waivers will now be issues relating to mental health, physical well-being, discrimination and learning disabilities.

Some schools -- and judging by the number of two-time undergraduate transfers in the portal, some players -- are taking a cynical approach, saying "we'll believe it when we see it" when it comes to the NCAA denying waivers to hundreds of student-athletes.

As waivers get denied or it becomes clear two-time undergraduate transfers are going to be required to sit a year, we'll explore splitting up the immediately eligible and sit-out transfers into two different categories. Just like the old days ... of three years ago.

Note: The transfer window for men's basketball undergraduates closes May 11.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/35426192/men-college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2023-24-season

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Interesting, but has nothing to do with any athlete looking to transfer in the 22-23 academic cycle, or any OSU player in the portal or looking to enter the portal.

won't it be interesting if Kaylan Boone gets to play for UNLV, but Kelan is denied his waiver for eligibility for the 23-24 season.

I can't wait for ESPN to follow up on this topic once the waivers start to get processed. (and likely denied)

per the ESPN article, clearly, to be denied eligibility for November games (i.e., 23-24 season), then your portal transfer would have to have been between the NCAA Aug 31, 2022 "effective immediately" announcement and this coming summer portal window.


Personally, I expect the NCAA to back off once the number of denied waivers reaches a critical mass, even though sitting out a transfer year has ALWAYS been the NCAA rule, until it was recently changed for first-time transfers (and previously for grad-transfers)

RodeoPoke said:

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won't it be interesting if Kaylan Boone gets to play for UNLV, but Kelan is denied his waiver for eligibility for the 23-24 season.

I can't wait for ESPN to follow up on this topic once the waivers start to get processed. (and likely denied)

per the ESPN article, clearly, to be denied eligibility for November games (i.e., 23-24 season), then your portal transfer would have to have been between the NCAA Aug 31, 2022 "effective immediately" announcement and this coming summer portal window.


Personally, I expect the NCAA to back off once the number of denied waivers reaches a critical mass, even though sitting out a transfer year has ALWAYS been the NCAA rule, until it was recently changed for first-time transfers (and previously for grad-transfers)

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Keylan Boone does not have to ask for a waiver. He transferred before the 22-23 season and thus that transfer is disregarded under the new transfer rules.

Unaware of any athlete NCAA-wide that is in the portal now after being signed out of the portal since the beginning of the 22-23 season and thus requiring a waiver to transfer without sitting a year.