What Every College Sports Fan Wants for the 4th of July - More Realignment

Interesting with the two schools mentioned! Colorado is pretty much known but I think every one assumes the other one is Arizona and not UConn! UConn could improve its football.program if it could tap into Florida and the south in general bit that is yet to be seen if that can happen!

UConn wouldn't excite me at all. Give me Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State and Utah. Even better, take those and throw in Oregon and UW.

more click bait...... nothing really to say, but say it again anyway... and you forgot to throw in Gonzaga in the retread story.

The only real news was SDSU deciding to stay in the MW, meaning nobody was in serious talks with them, which had seemed to be the implication. The bigger news is probably that The Peacock is close to going belly up, ending a potential revenue stream, and ESPN is holding an employee "fire" sale, trying to cut costs, likely meaning that revenue stream is dried up for the PAC.


No on UCONN. (bleh) No on Colorado. (to liberal / doped up fans) No on Oregon. (to dang far) No on Washington (to dang far)

We just signed a new contract for 6 years, lets let it play out a few and then see what the landscape looks like.... i.e., the ACC falls apart, or some such. I think there will be better pickings out there with a little patience

Az, ASU okay, I guess, if we have to.

Utah yes. Under any circumstance.

He literally said he has sources and they were told the big 12 is not done this summer. Not really click bait at that point. I think all the things you said we social media driven narratives he specifically said they don't use. Everything you said was kind of pointless there.

UConn would be an interesting travel destination for fans. That's always a priority to me as we love going to the other conference members to see a football game. Obviously Colorado is the same and I'd love it, but we've been there already in old Big 8.

Orangeheart72 said:

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UConn would be an interesting travel destination for fans. That's always a priority to me as we love going to the other conference members to see a football game. Obviously Colorado is the same and I'd love it, but we've been there already in old Big 8.

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I get it, but you're only talking about football.... all the other teams would have to make that trip as well....

IMO, one football trip to the area every 2-3 years would not offset the havoc that such a move would have on the rest of the Athletic Department.

Coach B already schedules a trip up there practically ever year, I've never heard of large OSU contingents making that trip.

Pokes4158 said:

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He literally said he has sources and they were told the big 12 is not done this summer. Not really click bait at that point. I think all the things you said we social media driven narratives he specifically said they don't use. Everything you said was kind of pointless there.

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go read it again..... he did not say he had sources, and the only references he made were to quotes made in other reporting.

I don't have access to "social media", so strike two on you.

I at least added CURRENT information about SDSU and about The Peacock (from Business Insider), which clearly is NOT "pointless" and is totally relevant to expansion discussions. Strike three on you.

you're out.

Well I'd say there is a pretty good chance that CU is going to make the move. They've had talks with the Big XII and the TV networks, directly. UA has done so through third parties (believed to be BYU). UConn is definitely in the range of possibilities, but probably a 2nd/4th/6th team, so probably not happening.

The hold up is the PAC media deal. It seems CU wants to wait for it to be revealed so they have a better case for the move. And, now it seems GK is looking to delay as long as possible. This week he provided a very rough concept with no partners to the schools. What has leaked out seems more like doubling down on the PAC.net as a streaming platform and then trying to sell games to linear broadcasters. It's very possible there are no bidders left except regional interest from clusters of TV stations. There are some indications that this has been enough to get CU & UA moving. We'll see they seem to not have much business sense, and are afraid of some getting mad they won't get to play Stanford anymore.

Thanks for the update Robert.

What on earth would make Arizona State want to stay put in the PAC? That conference is doomed.

Thanks Robert for adding the information from "your sources". Much appreciated.

I'm betting that nothing will be announced by either the B12 or the teams listed until the results of the Pac12 media rights deal is concluded, same as when this stuff was announced a year ago.

Seems like Yormark just missed his chance to go to all 4 time zones when he did not jump on SDSU last week when they stuck their necks out for him. He could have added SDSU and UConn last week, and had his 14 teams and 4 time zones, but he didn't.

What's the point of contradicting him about it? He says he has sources and you just immediately doubt then make up a new scenario that's not back up by any sources if your own. "It seems" "I'm betting". You comment on things sometimes but the point is rarely clear. Do you think Robert wrote the whole article lying to us? I would genuinely like to know what's your point? Are you trying to make one?

Pokes4158 said:

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What's the point of contradicting him about it? He says he has sources and you just immediately doubt then make up a new scenario that's not back up by any sources if your own. "It seems" "I'm betting". You comment on things sometimes but the point is rarely clear. Do you think Robert wrote the whole article lying to us? I would genuinely like to know what's your point? Are you trying to make one?

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I did not contradict Robert, nor anybody else.

He said he had sources, but not once in the article did he say "my sources say" this or that. Not once. He only said the same thing that every other article already said. Read his last sentence in the article, which sums it up.

I added that I appreciate when he did add the information from his "sources", which was not in the article, not one bit of it. ASU fanbase may be split, but you can bet they won't be split if the Pac12 media deal is a bust. Same with Utah, do you think that their interest in the B12 will change if they only get a low ball offer on their Pac12 media rights? What do YOU THINK?

You already struck out with your last post, why are you back up to bat? We have not gotten through the entire lineup yet.

so now, you're off to the penalty box. (back to permanent ignore)

"my betting" is my reliance on all of the other media sources that keep saying that a Pac12 deal is coming, but nobody can say when... and since there are no immediate pending "time lines" (like Pac12 needs a contract by July 2023, or Big12 needs to add members by 2025), then I'm betting (based on that reported information, that the time line will be later rather than sooner. Yormark said he would like to do it this summer, but that has nothing to do with Robert's sources, the Comish said that in another public interview.

Why don't you tell us what you think about realignment instead of trying to tell me what I have to think?

You say a ton without saying anything. Again what is your point? That roberts wrong or lying? What is your actual point?

"We only write something when we do have a reliable source and we honestly feel it is going to happen.

We were told on the heels of BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF coming in officially this weekend that the Big 12 isn't through for this summer." Doesn't this imply he was told from his sources? Then you contradict it by saying it's click bait with no sources and he just wrote an article saying what everyone else says. He is clearly saying something different though hence you contradicting again by saying the other articles you read say differently. So all in all his sources tell him something that you disagree with because you read stuff from other sources that aren't your own. Again. What's your point?

Pokes4158 said:

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You say a ton without saying anything. Again what is your point? That roberts wrong or lying? What is your actual point?

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Why don't you tell us what you think about realignment instead of trying to tell me what I have to think?

Also never told you what to think. I'm asking what's your point of trying to shoot holes in his story while providing nothing of substance to back it up. What's your point you're trying to make? What's the goal of it?

Pokes4158 said:

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"We only write something when we do have a reliable source and we honestly feel it is going to happen.

We were told on the heels of BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF coming in officially this weekend that the Big 12 isn't through for this summer." Doesn't this imply he was told from his sources? Then you contradict it by saying it's click bait with no sources and he just wrote an article saying what everyone else says. He is clearly saying something different though hence you contradicting again by saying the other articles you read say differently. So all in all his sources tell him something that you disagree with because you read stuff from other sources that aren't your own. Again. What's your point?

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very odd that you would leave out the very next sentence which explains all of your questions:

"Our thinking and the decision to get back into the conference realignment reporting game started because of one quote directly from Big 12 Conference commissioner Brett Yormark. "

so no, it was a quote from Yormark made to another media outlet....... just like Robert says, and just like I told you.


I was more than a little disappointed with the article when he said MORE REALIGNMENT in the headline (i.e. click bait title), but then did not add any new information that had not already been reported ad nauseum.

I sincerely did appreciate it when he came back and added the new information from his sources.

good bye.

MidTownPoke said:

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What on earth would make Arizona State want to stay put in the PAC? That conference is doomed.

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Well basically the PAC admins don't really care about their AD's and are much more interested in that being a vehicle to let them brag they play football against Stanford. They aren't making business decisions they're concerned about the academic bragging rights their athletic association will give them.

RodeoPoke said:

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Thanks Robert for adding the information from "your sources". Much appreciated.

I'm betting that nothing will be announced by either the B12 or the teams listed until the results of the Pac12 media rights deal is concluded, same as when this stuff was announced a year ago.

Seems like Yormark just missed his chance to go to all 4 time zones when he did not jump on SDSU last week when they stuck their necks out for him. He could have added SDSU and UConn last week, and had his 14 teams and 4 time zones, but he didn't.

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SDSU has not bee in the mix for months as their admin was only interested in getting to play football with Stanford. And, they were never a main target of the Big XII. BY's focus is on PAC schools, UConn has emerged as a partner, and as another basketball brand.

I do think the latest GK stunt of his big announcement being about what kind of a deal he hopes to find partners for has possibly killed that sentiment at CU & UA. We'll see if it has in the near future. Particularly now with the target for that fabled PAC deal now being Labor Day.

My point is being made of the quote I referenced not the next sentence. You're cherry picking. You skipped again telling what the point of your contradictions are.

NJAggie said:

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RodeoPoke said:

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Thanks Robert for adding the information from "your sources". Much appreciated.

I'm betting that nothing will be announced by either the B12 or the teams listed until the results of the Pac12 media rights deal is concluded, same as when this stuff was announced a year ago.

Seems like Yormark just missed his chance to go to all 4 time zones when he did not jump on SDSU last week when they stuck their necks out for him. He could have added SDSU and UConn last week, and had his 14 teams and 4 time zones, but he didn't.

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SDSU has not bee in the mix for months as their admin was only interested in getting to play football with Stanford. And, they were never a main target of the Big XII. BY's focus is on PAC schools, UConn has emerged as a partner, and as another basketball brand.

I do think the latest GK stunt of his big announcement being about what kind of a deal he hopes to find partners for has possibly killed that sentiment at CU & UA. We'll see if it has in the near future. Particularly now with the target for that fabled PAC deal now being Labor Day.

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SDSU apparently thought they were "in the mix" with somebody, or they would not be in the conference limbo that they are now in.

SDSU joined the Big East a few years back, before that folded. They are clearly interested in joining anybody that would have them. The SDSU football program is better than UCON, and their basketball program has been a "top program" the past seasons. Plus they have Tony Gwynn baseball stadium and other great facilities.

SDSU plays UCLA and Oregon State this season in football, and played Arizona in 2022. They played UCLA in 2019 and ASU and Stanford in 2018. (they played no games during the pandemic). SDSU does not give two licks about Stanford, nobody does. USC was the team that kept them out of the Pac12.

Besides, none of the teams that you are listing are in the pacific time zone, only SDSU is, so somebody seems to be missing whatever it is that Yormark is saying.

I had not heard about a Pac deal by Labor Day - thanks for that update... I guess we'll see.

SDSU was not in the mix for the Big XII. They thought they were in the mix for the PAC, and were openly saying they were going there. The fact was that they expected the offer by 6/30, when they found out it was coming by then they sent their letter. After the letter was out the PAC let them know they had no idea when or if they'd get an offer.

BY has said all 4 time zones not CA. Any MT schools give the 4th TZ and UA is in the PT zone during most of football season. So I'm not sure what you're missing.

NJAggie said:

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BY has said all 4 time zones not CA. Any MT schools give the 4th TZ and UA is in the PT zone during most of football season. So I'm not sure what you're missing.

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mmm.... I had not considered when in the year that PST changes and AZ does not.

They are the same in Sept and Oct, but not Nov and Dec. (so maybe 2/3rd of football season). If we restrict the discussion to only football, then only 1/3 of the season is NOT in the PST.

Since nobody really watches anything besides football, at least in terms of the media contract.... your point is well taken.


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here is an article from the Orange County Register today, July 5.... which is a reprint of an article on June 30 by Jon Wilner | Bay Area News Group



He suggests that the "unofficial" deadline is July 21, during the Pac 12 media days.

He also estimates a 60% chance of the Pac 12 remaining intact with their potential media rights deal.

Pac-12 survival: Our forecasts for media rights revenue, network partners and expansion as the saga continues

https://www.ocregister.com/2023/06/30/pac-12-survival-our-forecasts-for-media-rights-revenue-network-partners-and-expansion-as-the-saga-continues/

RodeoPoke said:

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here is an article from the Orange County Register today, July 5.... which is a reprint of an article on June 30 by Jon Wilner | Bay Area News Group



He suggests that the "unofficial" deadline is July 21, during the Pac 12 media days.

He also estimates a 60% chance of the Pac 12 remaining intact with their potential media rights deal.

Pac-12 survival: Our forecasts for media rights revenue, network partners and expansion as the saga continues

https://www.ocregister.com/2023/06/30/pac-12-survival-our-forecasts-for-media-rights-revenue-network-partners-and-expansion-as-the-saga-continues/

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Looking back it seems George K got played by USC and UCLA worse than Bowlsby was played by Zero U and Texas!!! In the month before the beginning of the 2021 season he was pushing the PAC to move and grab three to four remaking BIG XII schools but got the most resistance and pushback from the Presidents of USC and UCLA who disparaged the "ACADEMICS" of the BIGXII schools to the PAC gathering of CEOs, all while probably involved in early negotiations with the BIG about joining that conference! I would say the 60% chance Wilner throws out is HIGH, but he is also a PAC guy! My guess is it is 50/50 at best and that may have to include unequal revenue distribution to keep Oregon and Washington on board! The Arizona insider, Jason Scheer from their 24/7 site seems to think that once Colorado pulls the trigger then Arizona will push to join the BIG XII, but they don't want to be the first school to jump ship! It will really be interesting to see what happens then! Stay tuned I guess!