Stick with the Plan, the Original Plan as it Works Best

Csquaredosu66 said:

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Well I for one thought the OL was horrible and players are playing out of position because we cannot recruit the position.

I unfortunately know what I am talking about.

Go back and look how many time out OT's was late on kick slides and leaning on defenders. Look how many times they didn't punch.

Go back and look how many times OLineman would
Miss blocks and turn around (specifically the hurdle play) and watch the hand off.

Horrible coaching IMO. There is no "attitude" and technique is missing!

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I personally would love to see a Kyle Eaton, Ben Buie, Sam Mayes, CC (you), and Doug Koenig, and Caleb Noble performance out of these guys this week! You guys were some tough mother f*****s for sure!!! Ben was one of my favorites, he looked like a bowling ball but could knock your head off!!!

Csquaredosu66 said:

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Well I for one thought the OL was horrible and players are playing out of position because we cannot recruit the position.

I unfortunately know what I am talking about.

Go back and look how many time out OT's was late on kick slides and leaning on defenders. Look how many times they didn't punch.

Go back and look how many times OLineman would
Miss blocks and turn around (specifically the hurdle play) and watch the hand off.

Horrible coaching IMO. There is no "attitude" and technique is missing!

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Thanks for your input CC. No "attitude" is right. Birmingham looked so slow out there, no way he can contain even half way speedy edge rushers with the slow feet that he displayed. Brooks also looked too slow to pull, that's probably why he whiffed. What did you think about the blocking from #16 TE Josiah Johnson? Looked like to me he got abused by the defensive ends and was pretty much no help at all. Dalton Cooper looked lethargic to me, but I'll also say that his holding call that caused Ollie's 42 yard run to come back looked pretty weak, like something you can call every play.

Csquaredosu66 said:

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Well I for one thought the OL was horrible and players are playing out of position because we cannot recruit the position.

I unfortunately know what I am talking about.

Go back and look how many time out OT's was late on kick slides and leaning on defenders. Look how many times they didn't punch.

Go back and look how many times OLineman would
Miss blocks and turn around (specifically the hurdle play) and watch the hand off.

Horrible coaching IMO. There is no "attitude" and technique is missing!

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yuck, yuck, yuck...

"I know more than our paid coaches, all of them".....

yuck, yuck, yuck

some people. (and yes, you've told us you played Line once upon a time)

RodeoPoke said:

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Csquaredosu66 said:

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Well I for one thought the OL was horrible and players are playing out of position because we cannot recruit the position.

I unfortunately know what I am talking about.

Go back and look how many time out OT's was late on kick slides and leaning on defenders. Look how many times they didn't punch.

Go back and look how many times OLineman would
Miss blocks and turn around (specifically the hurdle play) and watch the hand off.

Horrible coaching IMO. There is no "attitude" and technique is missing!

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yuck, yuck, yuck...

"I know more than our paid coaches, all of them".....

yuck, yuck, yuck

some people. (and yes, you've told us you played Line once upon a time)

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That's fine, we all have opinions. I have watched the game 3 times now. All you have to do is the same and know what you're looking for..

LOL.... watch it again.

We all know the Line had issues in game 1.

Wilson was out and Miterko replaced him - Miterko had issues last year.

Springfield got hurt and we had to bring in a new kid that had never played here before, and we moved him to RT on top of that.

Birmingham hadn't played in over a year, and it looked like it. Plus, he looked badly over weight. He was supposed to be on a play count to work his way back in before Springfield got hurt.

You're not saying anything that is not obvious. Anybody can (and should) pick apart the game, but that does nothing to help the team unless you are also working with them and pointing out what needs to improve.

You're approach is simply to bash the team and come off as a "I'm better than the coach", sideline poster. "The sky is falling, the sky is falling"

What's your solution? Put in younger guys that you know even less about?

RodeoPoke said:

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LOL.... watch it again.

We all know the Line had issues in game 1.

Wilson was out and Miterko replaced him - Miterko had issues last year.

Springfield got hurt and we had to bring in a new kid that had never played here before, and we moved him to RT on top of that.

Birmingham hadn't played in over a year, and it looked like it. Plus, he looked badly over weight. He was supposed to be on a play count to work his way back in before Springfield got hurt.

You're not saying anything that is not obvious. Anybody can (and should) pick apart the game, but that does nothing to help the team unless you are also working with them and pointing out what needs to improve.

You're approach is simply to bash the team and come off as a "I'm better than the coach", sideline poster. "The sky is falling, the sky is falling"

What's your solution? Put in younger guys that you know even less about?

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Gundy continues to say we get out coached.

I start there. Definitely new OL coach and possible new TE coach.

Can't put the younger guys in there if the same technique and lack of coaching is put on them.

We need to recruit better.

No real solution at this point until coaching changes are made.

Csquaredosu66 said:

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RodeoPoke said:

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LOL.... watch it again.

We all know the Line had issues in game 1.

Wilson was out and Miterko replaced him - Miterko had issues last year.

Springfield got hurt and we had to bring in a new kid that had never played here before, and we moved him to RT on top of that.

Birmingham hadn't played in over a year, and it looked like it. Plus, he looked badly over weight. He was supposed to be on a play count to work his way back in before Springfield got hurt.

You're not saying anything that is not obvious. Anybody can (and should) pick apart the game, but that does nothing to help the team unless you are also working with them and pointing out what needs to improve.

You're approach is simply to bash the team and come off as a "I'm better than the coach", sideline poster. "The sky is falling, the sky is falling"

What's your solution? Put in younger guys that you know even less about?

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Gundy continues to say we get out coached.

I start there. Definitely new OL coach and possible new TE coach.

Can't put the younger guys in there if the same technique and lack of coaching is put on them.

We need to recruit better.

No real solution at this point until coaching changes are made.

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Just as long as it is not that jackass you played for old Moeller!!!

Csquaredosu66 said:

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Gundy continues to say we get out coached.

I start there. Definitely new OL coach and possible new TE coach.

Can't put the younger guys in there if the same technique and lack of coaching is put on them.

We need to recruit better.

No real solution at this point until coaching changes are made.

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I don't think I saw him make that statement in his presser.... did I miss it?


don't you think that it's more than just a little peculiar that Dickey only forgot how to coach once he came to OSU? His KState lines were epic. We've had some pretty good lines here under Dickey too.

recruit better? I'm not sure how you do that... the last 3 OLine coaches couldn't do better. (Connelly, Adkins and Henson)

Dickey's players have earned at least one All-Big 12 honor every season since his arrival, including Marcus Keyes in 2019, Teven Jenkins and Josh Sills in 2020, Sills again in 2021 and Hunter Woodard in 2022. All but one of those were first team honors. In the five years before Dickey, OSU earned just three total first team all-conference spots on the offensive line.

I think your solution is foolhardy

RodeoPoke said:

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Csquaredosu66 said:

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Gundy continues to say we get out coached.

I start there. Definitely new OL coach and possible new TE coach.

Can't put the younger guys in there if the same technique and lack of coaching is put on them.

We need to recruit better.

No real solution at this point until coaching changes are made.

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I don't think I saw him make that statement in his presser.... did I miss it?


don't you think that it's more than just a little peculiar that Dickey only forgot how to coach once he came to OSU? His KState lines were epic. We've had some pretty good lines here under Dickey too.

recruit better? I'm not sure how you do that... the last 3 OLine coaches couldn't do better. (Connelly, Adkins and Henson)

Dickey's players have earned at least one All-Big 12 honor every season since his arrival, including Marcus Keyes in 2019, Teven Jenkins and Josh Sills in 2020, Sills again in 2021 and Hunter Woodard in 2022. All but one of those were first team honors. In the five years before Dickey, OSU earned just three total first team all-conference spots on the offensive line.

I think your solution is foolhardy

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I mean it's possible, but from what I've heard, players don't respond to him well, other coaches wanted him gone, and I've heard from multiple sources that he is lazy in recruiting.

I sure could be wrong and I can admit that, but I'm just giving my opinion.

Csquaredosu66 said:

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RodeoPoke said:

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Csquaredosu66 said:

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I mean it's possible, but from what I've heard, players don't respond to him well, other coaches wanted him gone, and I've heard from multiple sources that he is lazy in recruiting.

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I sure could be wrong and I can admit that, but I'm just giving my opinion.

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He doesn't tweet enough? What does that even mean?

Here's another opinion for you....

... Scott Peters, who played seven years in the NFL, and teaches offensive line technique through an organization called Tip of the Spear.

"Scott Peters had met Coach Dickey at clinics a few times, and he's only said great things about him. He has a lot of opinions about a lot of coaches, but Coach Dickey is one of the guys he had nothing bad to say about."

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/college/cowboys/2019/06/09/osu-football-charlie-dickeys-genuine-approach-is-paying-off-in-offensive-line-recruiting/60451412007/

Dickey's accolades are long....

Gundys exact words were "I'm not so sure we didn't get out coached"

You're just assuming those things. Some of y'all don't like opinions positive or negative. You automatically assume the worst when you read an opinion you don't like or agree with. The word attack gets used a lot here. If a guy says man the coaching wasn't very good is that an attack? Is a fan acting like an expert when he gives his opinion or is he just giving his opinion? It's all how you perceive it man. It's all in yalls heads. Taking it to personal will do that.

Pokes4158 said:

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You're just assuming those things. Some of y'all don't like opinions positive or negative. You automatically assume the worst when you read an opinion you don't like or agree with. The word attack gets used a lot here. If a guy says man the coaching wasn't very good is that an attack? Is a fan acting like an expert when he gives his opinion or is he just giving his opinion? It's all how you perceive it man. It's all in yalls heads. Taking it to personal will do that.

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It's not really an assumption when you're saying fire them all and get rid of the kids. None of them can coach, and you've been saying that about Gundy since he was the OC.

all of those PPF stats prove only one thing... that PPF isn't very accurate, and does not take into account may relevant facts. They do not reflect if a player was playing injured. They do not reflect the caliber of the opponent they were facing.

There are many, many short comings of the PPF statistics, especially on a single game basis.

It's something, but it's not proof of anything, nor is it particularly useful.

Look at those QB ratings for example, we all know that Rangel played when the opponent was fresh and the pressure was heavier. We all know that Gunnar played when the defense was tiring and the Coach changed the game plan. We all know that Bowman had several perfect passes that were dropped.

the PPF ratings to not reflect any of that information, and that information is actually THE WHOLE STORY of the QB performances.

Can we just wait until there are 3-4 games of reps and then look at the cumulative PPF ratings? (even a larger sample size will not overcome the shortcomings of their rating system)

It's not a perfect system, it's not really even a good system for analyzing college ball.

FYI - when your negative comments are massively disproportionate to the positive play and accomplishments of the players and coaches over the past 10-15 years you come off as nothing but a basher instead of a true fan. Just calling it straight down the middle.

You must have me mistaken for someone else? Lol since Gundy was oc? We didn't have this forum then. I have absolutely voiced my opinions on the o line and have provided facts to reference but all that other jazz is nonsense.

You're just touchy

For anyone interested in actual insight about how the team plays each week go listen to the feels like 45 podcast. Great breakdown's and in depth points on how the team played. We all talk on a forum and who's right who's wrong but no one accepts facts. So go listen to an unbiased opinion for a couple big time osu guys and then see what you think.

Pokes4158 said:

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For anyone interested in actual insight about how the team plays each week go listen to the feels like 45 podcast. Great breakdown's and in depth points on how the team played. We all talk on a forum and who's right who's wrong but no one accepts facts. So go listen to an unbiased opinion for a couple big time osu guys and then see what you think.

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Cliff notes???

All qbs played decent. Bowman struggled against the rush. The offense went zone running the majority of the game but had given up on it by the time bowman came in because they weren't opening holes or getting any push which Gundy alluded to himself. Hence why bowman threw it 24 times. O struggled pretty mightily especially the left side. Communication was a big problem among them and they just flat out missed a ton of blocks. Josiah Johnson at tight end was really really bad in run blocking. All rbs were decent but Ollie Gordon stood out for his pass blocking. Saved the lineman a couple times with key blocks that would have been very bad for the offense otherwise. Defense stayed base literally all game. Safeties struggle some as well as the lbs. Defense overall was pretty decent.

Pokes4158 said:

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All qbs played decent. Bowman struggled against the rush. The offense went zone running the majority of the game but had given up on it by the time bowman came in because they weren't opening holes or getting any push which Gundy alluded to himself. Hence why bowman threw it 24 times. O struggled pretty mightily especially the left side. Communication was a big problem among them and they just flat out missed a ton of blocks. Josiah Johnson at tight end was really really bad in run blocking. All rbs were decent but Ollie Gordon stood out for his pass blocking. Saved the lineman a couple times with key blocks that would have been very bad for the offense otherwise. Defense stayed base literally all game. Safeties struggle some as well as the lbs. Defense overall was pretty decent.

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Thanks!

Csquaredosu66 said:

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Pokes4158 said:

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All qbs played decent. Bowman struggled against the rush. The offense went zone running the majority of the game but had given up on it by the time bowman came in because they weren't opening holes or getting any push which Gundy alluded to himself. Hence why bowman threw it 24 times. O struggled pretty mightily especially the left side. Communication was a big problem among them and they just flat out missed a ton of blocks. Josiah Johnson at tight end was really really bad in run blocking. All rbs were decent but Ollie Gordon stood out for his pass blocking. Saved the lineman a couple times with key blocks that would have been very bad for the offense otherwise. Defense stayed base literally all game. Safeties struggle some as well as the lbs. Defense overall was pretty decent.

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Thanks!

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LOL... WTH?

That's the same thing everybody has said in every report that I've read.... nothing new there.

And?

Pokes4158 said:

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For anyone interested in actual insight about how the team plays each week go listen to the feels like 45 podcast. Great breakdown's and in depth points on how the team played. We all talk on a forum and who's right who's wrong but no one accepts facts. So go listen to an unbiased opinion for a couple big time osu guys and then see what you think.

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God you are an IDIOT!!! Go listen to an UNBIASED OPINION!!! Every damn opinion has a bias to it, these guys are OSU grads and fans for Gods sake!!! They do a good job but they are looking through Orange ZColored Glasses like everyone else who is an OSU fan!!! You must not get much attention at home!!!!

Did you listen to it? If it was biased they would look at it through orange tinted glasses but they don't. They call it like it is. They have zero issues openly critiquing problems or giving deserved praise. One of them is actual a huge lsu fan so not just an osu guy. You would think you'd get tired of popping off on my posts being as they annoy you so much. Just move on joe you don't have to comment ya know? Or even read them

Pokes4158 said:

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Did you listen to it? If it was biased they would look at it through orange tinted glasses but they don't. They call it like it is. They have zero issues openly critiquing problems or giving deserved praise. One of them is actual a huge lsu fan so not just an osu guy. You would think you'd get tired of popping off on my posts being as they annoy you so much. Just move on joe you don't have to comment ya know? Or even read them

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Yes, I have listened to it MORE THAN YOU HAVE!!! Nobody on most of these sites has ANY ISSUES OFFERING CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM!!! But you better KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY AND THEY HAVE THAT WITH ONE OF THOSE GUYS WHO KNOWS HIS STUFF!!! Also, don't tell me what I can and can't do on this site, I PUT MY MONEY DOWN JUST LIKE YOU BUT DON'T MAKE IT ALL ABOUT ME BECAUSE I NEED ATTENTION!!!

Good god man.

What was your favorite part on this weeks pod tho?

It's the day and age. No one can ignore things they disagree with while simultaneously disagreeing with everything. I've been subscribing to pokes report for what like 3 years now and it's been like this since the day. The same few people never let anything go. Very rarely is there a real conversation about sports. Just people trashing one another because of what's perceived as negative or not.

Csquaredosu66 said:

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Why is ok to treat each other like absolute dog crap?

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Hmmmm…. Shouldn't you have that answer?

Pokes4158 said:

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It's the day and age. No one can ignore things they disagree with while simultaneously disagreeing with everything. I've been subscribing to pokes report for what like 3 years now and it's been like this since the day. The same few people never let anything go. Very rarely is there a real conversation about sports. Just people trashing one another because of what's perceived as negative or not.

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Because you are a habitual liar!!! How many damn names have you used and posted under, Cowboy Red, Pokeas 4158, who knows how many plus you are a TROUBLE MAKER WHO COMES OVER HERE USING ANOTHER OSU SITE TO ATTACK ROBERT AND OTHER POSTERS!!!

Those are the only 2. I changed it originally hoping to get rid of you and California cowboy. I try to talk sports regularly but y'all crash that party every time. I never lie. I only call out Robert when he calls out the fans. I use multiple osu sites because I'm a big osu fan. I don't use it against him. Youre hysterical.

Pokes4158 said:

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Those are the only 2. I changed it originally hoping to get rid of you and California cowboy. I try to talk sports regularly but y'all crash that party every time. I never lie. I only call out Robert when he calls out the fans. I use multiple osu sites because I'm a big osu fan. I don't use it against him. Youre hysterical.

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Nope just stating facts!!! Zach Lancaster and Bryan, who does the podcast with Zach and occasionally helps out over on this site said to me personally that they had to LOCK the comments section on several stories last season specifically because you and another poster wouldn't move on to other things Jabroni!!!