It's Over! SEC Source: "It Is Not If, but When We Add Oklahoma and Texas."

To Hell with them, I don't care if we ever play them in any sport again.

What a crazy last 24 hours. If its done deal, we all want to know how OSU falls in all this. Is it PAC 12 ? Or is it ACC ? Will we stay in Big 12 and be in the level of AAC and MAC ?

Time to go our own way! We should not play Zero U in any sport for many years. Let them get eaten by the SEC. May they suffer at weekly azz kickings in every sport. Let's get this realignment done ASAP and get to the PAC. The TV deals can be done earlier than when they were set to expire because the money is going to be insane. Four major conferences of 16 teams each. It is time to survive and we have a good product to sell. Let's go!

NOT the PAC that would be death. They are terrible I hope we go to the ACC that would be a win better than the Big 12. They have a bunch of good rivals. Clemson, FL ST. Va. Tech, Louisville etc.

Big ten or acc. I would prefer the big ten I think. Definitely agree with moving onto things on our own. New bright future in a big shiny super conference where we don't have to worry about salvaging or league every 5 years. Who cares how Kansas is doing. Ou and Texas leave and the big 12 has average marketability at best. Pac 12 network is not healthy. We need to jump on with big ten or acc and let the future continue in orange!

First there is no rush for the remaining schools. Take time to assess and investigate your options. For the time being each school will get an extra bit of money, and could still bring in a team or two to run out the contract. Might as well make the two pay the price for leaving.

Staying together might be a good option. Particularly if the 12 team playoff is approved, and that could happen this year. Which if it includes, as proposed, 6 conference champ slots even without a guarantee you have to expect that the Big XII would own one of them.

There are some expansion alternatives. Frankly I'd think the best would be to add BYU, that puts us at 9 teams all with good profiles, and 8 conference games and 4 non-cons. That's a good set up, much better than 10. If it was felt going to 12 was needed then I'd look at CSU, Cincy, and UCF/USF.

The B1G and ACC don't need to add teams and probably aren't looking to add, so there's not many options that way.

The PAC could feel a need, and that would be the most likely other option. But again I think that's a better deal to hang together and cash those bonus checks on than rush into an immediate move.

Cincinnati, CSU, Houston, UTSA, SMU, Boise, BYU all have some possibilities. Afraid Cincinnati may feel they aren't gaining much now. CSU, Houston, SMU and UTSA offer pretty big media draws. CSU and UTSA offer great road trip options for fans.

Orangeheart72 said:

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Cincinnati, CSU, Houston, UTSA, SMU, Boise, BYU all have some possibilities. Afraid Cincinnati may feel they aren't gaining much now. CSU, Houston, SMU and UTSA offer pretty big media draws. CSU and UTSA offer great road trip options for fans.

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Let's examine. Would ESPN/Fox pay anywhere near as much as the current deal for a league with any of those additions?
No. Further, adding teams means a smaller pie to be shared with more teams. Further yet, will the new proposed playoff system include a B12 champ from a conference without OU and UT? Doubt it. Total non-starter.
Gotta move to another conference. Only solution.

haven't we done this once already... what happened then? Nada

We could speculate and postulate and make our guesses forever and not be close

TV revenues per team will likely not go up, regardless of configuration, as viewership continues to drop.

Who knows what an Arkansas or Missouri might think with more teams taking a cut of their money - especially if it were those 2 teams, that they both bolted from once.

Who knows what Arizona or Arizona State might think with the 12Pac continuing to struggle. Utah use to joked about in the MWest and WAC, but look at them now. Add a Boise and Utah (perhaps)

Losing OU and Texas may not necessarily reduce the TV revenues, which are based on TV market shares, not on how many alumni a school has.

there are so many variables and so many unknowns, that literally everything could be a possibility. Time to add San Diego State and UCF and make the B12 a coast-to-coast national appeal conference (covering all 3 major recruiting hotbeds).

I'm still leaning toward - ain't nuttin goin to happen... Nada

The ACC could add two teams and get to 16 with two eight team divisions. They could add KU and OSU or Texas Tech and OSU, lots of options, that would be a great set up. They would have two divisions and a Championship game each year. Great B-Ball and Baseball too. I want no part of PAC do not want games starting at 9 in the morning and 10 at night. Even with a east division that is Mountain Time and Central Time you still have to play all those far west coast teams on a rotating basis.

Just like Colorado cherry picked the west?

Orangeheart72 said:

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Cincinnati, CSU, Houston, UTSA, SMU, Boise, BYU all have some possibilities. Afraid Cincinnati may feel they aren't gaining much now. CSU, Houston, SMU and UTSA offer pretty big media draws. CSU and UTSA offer great road trip options for fans.

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I just threw up in my mouth a little.

That is awful. Simply an awful result.

The best would be having USC, UCLA, ASU, CU and Oregon coming to play games in Stillwater rather than those lame schools you just mentioned. UTSA?! That's just the absolute worst. Why is Louisiana -Monroe taken?

TUSKAPOKE said:

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The ACC would be fine but we would be like West Virginia is now in the Tiny 12 (Big?)....geographically isolated. An eastern division of the PAC-16 involving CO, AZ, AZ ST, Utah and remnants of the Big 12 would not be bad and OSU would be very competitive with those. OSU can recruit Texas, OK, KS and cherry pick the west. Appreciate your view. Go Pokes!

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How's that "cherry picking the west" doing for CU?
The last time we pummeled CU, they looked small and slow.

Look how Nebraska fell after not being exposed to Texas recruits. All the NU football talk is "the good old days".

Without playing and beating the top schools in Texas, (no one is impressed by beating SMU or Houston and we've struggled with TCU and Baylor half the time), we might as well have to sit on the transfer portal 24/7.
Exposure in Texas is key to our survival.

The one option out there may be CBS. They're losing their CFB package when the SEC moves to ABC in 2026. Maybe they'd want to give a Big 8 game of the week a go, and with that in place you could find a home for the rest of the games and get some decent revenue.

Outside of that we're dependent on the TV people backing each of the 4 leagues saying this team or that team is good to go for an invite. I'm not sure that happens.

Look at our current roster. We have players from CA, AZ and UT currently. We are already cherry picking the west.

Ok_state_fan78 said:

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I have no idea if Texas A & M would do it, but Texas A&M left for the SEC to get away from Texas. Could see if they would go to ACC with OSU if Texas is added to the SEC. That would fix the whole problem in one move.

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Word is aTm is making calls. So that would also open another slot in the SEC as well, and we'd have to be considered for that if it happened. Although word is out there the ACC would be interested in OSU.

More intriguing is RA's mention of Mizzou looking to the B1G, and him hearing from the B1G OSU should start a conversation. When you look at it, they have no where to go East North or South, so going West with a KU/MU & OSU add makes sense. Although KU may be in trouble because the word is Football will be the main criteria as they've taken enough poor sister football teams. That would be a good fit and a boost to our whole athletics dept.

The PAC is too busy trying to get USC to stay to worry about expansion from the looks of things.

NJAggie said:

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Ok_state_fan78 said:

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I have no idea if Texas A & M would do it, but Texas A&M left for the SEC to get away from Texas. Could see if they would go to ACC with OSU if Texas is added to the SEC. That would fix the whole problem in one move.

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Word is aTm is making calls. So that would also open another slot in the SEC as well, and we'd have to be considered for that if it happened. Although word is out there the ACC would be interested in OSU.

More intriguing is RA's mention of Mizzou looking to the B1G, and him hearing from the B1G OSU should start a conversation. When you look at it, they have no where to go East North or South, so going West with a KU/MU & OSU add makes sense. Although KU may be in trouble because the word is Football will be the main criteria as they've taken enough poor sister football teams. That would be a good fit and a boost to our whole athletics dept.

The PAC is too busy trying to get USC to stay to worry about expansion from the looks of things.

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An ACC AD stated yesterday only OU and UT would be of any interest to ACC. OSU to ACC ain't happening.
The B1G would have to waive their academic requirements to invite OSU. Ain't happening.
I suppose aTm could throw a fit and leave for the ACC thus leaving an opening in SEC. Thrill, thrill. If OSU is invited we'll get swallowed alive. Mizzou ain't leaving the SEC just so they can be just as uncompetitive for way less money. Nonetheless, that ain't happening either.
The B12 poaching the P12 or vice versa is the only foreseeable scenario where we land in a P5 conference with a reasonable shot at future success. IMO.

Ostateman said:

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TUSKAPOKE said:

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The ACC would be fine but we would be like West Virginia is now in the Tiny 12 (Big?)....geographically isolated. An eastern division of the PAC-16 involving CO, AZ, AZ ST, Utah and remnants of the Big 12 would not be bad and OSU would be very competitive with those. OSU can recruit Texas, OK, KS and cherry pick the west. Appreciate your view. Go Pokes!

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How's that "cherry picking the west" doing for CU?
The last time we pummeled CU, they looked small and slow.

Look how Nebraska fell after not being exposed to Texas recruits. All the NU football talk is "the good old days".

Without playing and beating the top schools in Texas, (no one is impressed by beating SMU or Houston and we've struggled with TCU and Baylor half the time), we might as well have to sit on the transfer portal 24/7.
Exposure in Texas is key to our survival.

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How has WV done in the Big 12 being geographically isolated? A key to our survival is getting into one of the four 16 team super conferences and it looks like the SEC bus has left the terminal. OU, UT and TXA&M and the rest of the SEC will get the cream of the crops there when this happens. Going to the ACC (Atlantic Coast) does not gain us exposure in Texas. Discussion today has OSU moving west to the PAC or to the Big 10. There is limited talk about a possible seat on the SEC bus.

Ok_state_fan78 said:

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I have no idea if Texas A & M would do it, but Texas A&M left for the SEC to get away from Texas. Could see if they would go to ACC with OSU if Texas is added to the SEC. That would fix the whole problem in one move.

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Tx A&M is not going to give up their SEC pay day no matter how much they hate the Shorthorns. The SEC teams during the Covid year got $60 million each while the Tiny 12 got $38 million. Money greases the wheel to get along better with your hated brother.

TUSKAPOKE said:

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Look at our current roster. We have players from CA, AZ and UT currently. We are already cherry picking the west.

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oh boy.... Kansas has players from Oklahoma, are they cherry picking Oklahoma?

My goodness. Picking over the remnants is "NOT" cherry picking.

I agree with the cherry picking part. We definitely haven't been cherry picking from pac 12 country but do have some decent players from there. What's your opinion of what osu should do?

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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TUSKAPOKE said:

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Look at our current roster. We have players from CA, AZ and UT currently. We are already cherry picking the west.

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oh boy.... Kansas has players from Oklahoma, are they cherry picking Oklahoma?

My goodness. Picking over the remnants is "NOT" cherry picking.

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Oh boy .......Cherry picked....These folks are not at Kansas.....or CO...So, these players are remnants in your view?

Illingworth - QB - Norco, CA ....A remnant from your hometown?

Warren - RB - SLC, UT

Polk - WR - AZ

Latu - DE - SLC, UT

Tuihalamaka - DT - CA

Asi - DT - NV

Cobb - LB - Provo, UT

Zaragoza - LS - CA

Bennett - OL - AZ

Miterko - OL - NM

Jarrard - CW - CA

13% of OSU's scholarship players are from the west......

OSU has recruited and succeeded with "remnants" from the west, TX, KS, AR, LA and OK.

Illingworth was down about 13th or so on the QB list that year, and every major school in the West already had a QB in their class or the prior class higher than him. I've posted this stuff before. (and he had Okla ties). Only the 2 AZ schools even offered him, and they were already loaded.

Warren came from Utah State. There's a Power 5 competition that we cherry picked from. rolls eyes. Asi was a Juco pickup, not cherry picking a HS recruiting class.

Come on man. They're all like that. I love the Matre Dei kid, but he was #124 in the State and only had offers from Howard, Idaho State and ULaLa. I love him just because I respect Matre Dei so much.

We're barely cherry picking our own dang State.

you can't just spew stuff based on glossing the surface, you have to actually understand what it is that you're saying.

If you think we're cherry picking anything, then more power to ya.

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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Illingworth was down about 13th or so on the QB list that year, and every major school in the West already had a QB in their class or the prior class higher than him. I've posted this stuff before. (and he had Okla ties). Only the 2 AZ schools even offered him, and they were already loaded.

Warren came from Utah State. There's a Power 5 competition that we cherry picked from. rolls eyes. Asi was a Juco pickup, not cherry picking a HS recruiting class.

Come on man. They're all like that. I love the Matre Dei kid, but he was #124 in the State and only had offers from Howard, Idaho State and ULaLa. I love him just because I respect Matre Dei so much.

We're barely cherry picking our own dang State.

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Come on man....Then we do well with "remnants".....How many 5 stars are there? I would say we get our share of good ones from Oklahoma including the #1 player last year. Our class this year is one of the best in OSU history. I believe the PAC will regret not having several of these players and that will probably be with Illingsworth. When you think about the best players in OSU history they were 3 stars and low 4 stars. They have won Heismans, Bilentikoffs, and been All-Americans..Have a good weekend as this conference BS continues....four power conferences of 16 teams are formed....all the 5 stars go to the SEC....OSU continues to win with the "remnants." GO POKES!

If TAM is so unhappy about UT coming into the SEC, then maybe the BIG12 should invite TAM to come back and invite Nebraska (who certainly isn't happy in Big10) to come back. Ask BYU and Arkansas to join and we would have a much better BIG12 conference. Better than staying at 8 or even 9 members for sure. All four of those potential new members seem to be a good fit geographically with good LOYAL fan bases.
I would love to re-establish what I thought was a good rivalry with Nebraska and TAM.
Let ou and ut go be smaller fish in the SEC pond! They certainly will be treated that way!
OSU has proven we can do better with our smaller budget than they have with their
huge money hungary budgets!
GO POKES let's rebuild the BIG12!!!!!!

These schools can be unhappy but they aren't abandoning the money.

It's leaving the Big 12 or bust.

DANR said:

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If TAM is so unhappy about UT coming into the SEC, then maybe the BIG12 should invite TAM to come back and invite Nebraska (who certainly isn't happy in Big10) to come back. Ask BYU and Arkansas to join and we would have a much better BIG12 conference. Better than staying at 8 or even 9 members for sure. All four of those potential new members seem to be a good fit geographically with good LOYAL fan bases.
I would love to re-establish what I thought was a good rivalry with Nebraska and TAM.
Let ou and ut go be smaller fish in the SEC pond! They certainly will be treated that way!
OSU has proven we can do better with our smaller budget than they have with their
huge money hungary budgets!
GO POKES let's rebuild the BIG12!!!!!!

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It's called money. OU & UT to the SEC raises the annual payout to north of $60M. As much as aTm hates it they'll shut up and take the money.

NJAggie said:

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It's called money. OU & UT to the SEC raises the annual payout to north of $60M. As much as aTm hates it they'll shut up and take the money.

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Isn't that just speculation?

Isn't' that an outrageous increase for adding 2 schools? 2019 was $45 million per team (14 teams), so you're talking about an additional 15 million per team and an additional $120 million to cover OU and UT's cut.

Where did those numbers come from?

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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NJAggie said:

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It's called money. OU & UT to the SEC raises the annual payout to north of $60M. As much as aTm hates it they'll shut up and take the money.

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Isn't that just speculation?

Isn't' that an outrageous increase for adding 2 schools? 2019 was $45 million per team (14 teams), so you're talking about an additional 15 million per team and an additional $120 million to cover OU and UT's cut.

Where did those numbers come from?

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Just heard the projected number on a National radio show, and it ain't $60mm.

It's over $80mm per team.

LOL.... a "national radio show" certainly gives it credibility.. wink, wink, wink.

can you share? I'd like to see how they came up with that.

This is from USA Today - albeit, a couple of days ago...

But why would the SEC want to expand, especially less than a year after signing that mammoth deal with ESPN? The network would have to agree to a renegotiation with Texas and Oklahoma in the fold; if not, the current deal would be split 16 ways, not 14. What good does less money even if it would still be a huge amount of money do for teams in the bottom half of the SEC, which would then find it even harder to navigate toward mediocrity with two more powerhouse programs on the schedule?

Even the upper crust of the SEC would have to be convinced. Adding the Longhorns and Sooners does nothing for Alabama, which doesn't need another premier opponent on its schedule to impress the College Football Playoff selection committee. Likewise for Georgia, Florida, LSU or whichever team wins the conference championship; if anything, Texas and Oklahoma would make things more complicated.

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The SEC teams are already projected to make $66 million before OU and UT enter the mix.... so they would need ESPN to kick in an additional $130 million just to keep the current teams whole with the existing contract (and give UT and OU equal shares).

if the addition of OU and Texas does not bring in substantially more than that, then it would seem odd that the existing teams would vote to make their lives harder.

I suppose we'll see ... seems like a very stupid proposition by ESPN.... they could have more programming for less money if things stayed the same.... wouldn't they?