STILLWATER – You can bank on it now as multiple sources tied into the Southeastern Conference have confirmed to Pokes Report that the question of whether Texas and Oklahoma will join the SEC is no longer if, but when.
Both the Big 12 and the SEC met in various forms on Thursday afternoon and evening with the Big 12 CEOs and athletic directors meeting virtually and the SEC school representatives meeting on a conference call. Sources told Pokes Report that Texas and Oklahoma were invited to be a part of the Big 12 meeting and the hope on the part of some Big 12 participants was a reconciliation. However, representatives of Texas and Oklahoma did not show for the Big 12 meeting.
For new Oklahoma State University President Dr. Kayse Shrum and new athletic director Chad Weiberg this was a crazy way to first meet up with their conference brethren and the odds are there that they may not be conference brethren much longer.
In fact, now that duo will be guiding the path to where Oklahoma State will compete in the future. That appears to be the situation.
Oklahoma State University fans and enthusiasts can feel good that the leadership duo along with others involved including OSU senior vice-president Kyle Wray have a lot of experience and savvy with college athletics. Pokes Report has also learned that the OSU leadership may have been clued in early and not caught as flat-footed as some others regarding the moves by Texas and Oklahoma.
The question now falls on the Big 12 and what they attempt to do. They could try to stay together, even as long as the current television contract to hold onto the media rights signed over to the Big 12 by Texas and Oklahoma. The clause in the current television agreements with ESPN and FOX would be interesting to know how much the league would lose and whether they could stand up at all with just eight members.
The certainty is the 2021 season will go on as scheduled. It is too late to make any changes to that. It will make games in the league between the Longhorns and Sooners and all others very interesting and intense. The season could turn out to be a weekly dose of grudge matches.
One major question is the future of Bedlam. After polling a number of individuals ranging from athletic department employees to coaches to donors to fans, the overwhelming thought is with Oklahoma State in another league and Oklahoma in the SEC the two schools won’t play football. I would think proximity would have some sports competing in non-conference action, but that would be up to the individual sports in each program.
CaliforniaCowboy said:
LOL.... a "national radio show" certainly gives it credibility.. wink, wink, wink.
can you share? I'd like to see how they came up with that.
I say the Big12 should make the offers and start the conversations. Who knows were it might lead. Don't assume anything. There really aren't any better options than the Big12.NJAggie said:It's called money. OU & UT to the SEC raises the annual payout to north of $60M. As much as aTm hates it they'll shut up and take the money.DANR said:
If TAM is so unhappy about UT coming into the SEC, then maybe the BIG12 should invite TAM to come back and invite Nebraska (who certainly isn't happy in Big10) to come back. Ask BYU and Arkansas to join and we would have a much better BIG12 conference. Better than staying at 8 or even 9 members for sure. All four of those potential new members seem to be a good fit geographically with good LOYAL fan bases.
I would love to re-establish what I thought was a good rivalry with Nebraska and TAM.
Let ou and ut go be smaller fish in the SEC pond! They certainly will be treated that way!
OSU has proven we can do better with our smaller budget than they have with their
huge money hungary budgets!
GO POKES let's rebuild the BIG12!!!!!!
so... you can't share? Just some yahoo saying something?GumbyFromPokeyLand said:CaliforniaCowboy said:
LOL.... a "national radio show" certainly gives it credibility.. wink, wink, wink.
can you share? I'd like to see how they came up with that.
When a conference adds the #1 and #9 revenue generating schools to the fold, it's only logical to assume a significant incremental increase per team.
That's why I don't worry about OSU. We're #30, clearly an attractive add that can bring incremental value to a league.
Oklahoma & Texas make it official: they’re leaving conference & expected to apply for SEC membership pic.twitter.com/65h35M18OF
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) July 26, 2021
huh? Would OU and UT "allow" us to add additional teams before they depart in 2025, and take a cut of their payout?Danny Deck said:
Alright now let's get enough teams in the remaining conferences so we don't have to stick around a dead conference for 4 seasons.
okay... I thought you were saying the opposite "lets get enough teams together so that we don't have a dead conference for 4 years".Danny Deck said:
Sorry, I would like for 7 current Big 12 teams to find a new home and vote to dissolve the conference. No interest in 4 seasons in a dead conference. No interest in staying in a glorified G5 conference after either.
CaliforniaCowboy said:so... you can't share? Just some yahoo saying something?GumbyFromPokeyLand said:CaliforniaCowboy said:
LOL.... a "national radio show" certainly gives it credibility.. wink, wink, wink.
can you share? I'd like to see how they came up with that.
When a conference adds the #1 and #9 revenue generating schools to the fold, it's only logical to assume a significant incremental increase per team.
That's why I don't worry about OSU. We're #30, clearly an attractive add that can bring incremental value to a league.
and... my word.... can it ever be "logical to assume"? Isn't that an oxymoron? If not, then "significant incremental" certainly is an oxymoron.
which is it, incremental or significant?
all you had to do was say you couldn't find the source of those numbers..... besides, I've since posted that the SEC with it's contract already signed is set to make $66 million each... so ESPN would only need to kick in 135 million more to get the league back up to that $66 mil figure.
all you had to do was say you they numbers were unsupported. It's not that hard.GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
Lolololol. You and Bowlsby must have attended the same business school. Sometimes you don't have to have a mountain of numbers and studies to know the answer. Goes along the same lines as thinking San Diego State could add value to the B12. Lolololol.
Which is exactly why our conference is where it is.
CaliforniaCowboy said:all you had to do was say you they numbers were unsupported. It's not that hard.GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
Lolololol. You and Bowlsby must have attended the same business school. Sometimes you don't have to have a mountain of numbers and studies to know the answer. Goes along the same lines as thinking San Diego State could add value to the B12. Lolololol.
Which is exactly why our conference is where it is.
you fail to define what it is you are claiming "add value to the B12" means. OU value? no. Texas value? no KU / KSU value? likely more than either. BU value?
What about Recruiting value? We could have access to the California recruits too... verses the plethora of athletes that we pull out of Kansas and Waco, or Iowa.
what the heck is it that you're saying?
excerpt: (from recent AAC discussions, and former Big East discussion)
The one thing San Diego State has a major advantage in, and it's one that can't be controlled, is the TV market size. San Diego has the 27th ranked market while Fresno has the 55th ranked market. If you need any proof that a conference values that, just remember that the Big Ten wanted Rutgers for the New York market.
If you want viewers, San Diego State is your choice.
what I post was from LAST MONTH. It's not my data or position, it is that of the reporter. Go tell him he has bad data.GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
Tc market size is irrelevant. Conferences abandoned that criteria years ago.
It's school viewership that matters. Just like I said, you don't get the Houston market because Texas Southern is in your league. You get Texas Southerns viewership.
CaliforniaCowboy said:what I post was from LAST MONTH. It's not my data or position, it is that of the reporter. Go tell him he has bad data.GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
Tc market size is irrelevant. Conferences abandoned that criteria years ago.
It's school viewership that matters. Just like I said, you don't get the Houston market because Texas Southern is in your league. You get Texas Southerns viewership.
Nobody is talking about Texas Southern. You might as well use Ok Christian for the OKC market - it's not a comparable analogy.
You do get the Houston market if you have Houston. Like I already pointed out, the Houston market is loaded with OSU, TT, BU, fans who will tune in because of a conference team playing. This stuff is logically obvious.
Can you post a link to that analysis that you're presenting? I'd like to take a look at it.
I get it just fine Pal. I knew you couldn't provide any sources or backup... you never do - you just spew.GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
You still don't get it. You dont get the houston market by getting Houston. You get Univetsity of Houston's viewership by adding houston.
CaliforniaCowboy said:I get it just fine Pal. I knew you couldn't provide any sources or backup... you never do - you just spew.GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
You still don't get it. You dont get the houston market by getting Houston. You get Univetsity of Houston's viewership by adding houston.
you don't get the Houston market by not signing Houston either.
Sure you get their viewers, duh. You get other college viewers too... like the OSU alumni that live in Houston (or the other conference teams (TT, BU, ETC) that have fans living in Houston that would tune in to watch a conference game. Just like me tuning in to watch Iowa State play Kansas.
your closed box thinking is annoying and inane.
you sound more freaking foolish every time you post.....GumbyFromPokeyLand said:
There is no such thing as a metropolitan Houston market as far as football viewing is concerned. There are Houston viewers, Rice viewers, Texas Southern viewers, UT, aTm, OU, OSU, Baylor, etc, etc, etc.
I hope you don't figure on a lucid discussion about program value without the concept of viewership.
Go read the RA article about Adam Lunts analysis. Which is more valuable to the B12? TCU in the 4 million viewers DFW area, or OSU in 50k Stillwater? (Hint, it ain't TCU). Maybe things will come into focus for you.
