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Oklahoma State Better Alone Than With Rest of Big 12?

August 17, 2021
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STILLWATER – This may surprise you, but I agree with some of the recent opinions thrown out there by CBS sportswriter Dennis Dodd. A long-time observer of college football and college sports in the middle of America, Dodd and I were once fellow skywriters on the Big Eight Skywriters Tour. Dodd is an award-winning writer, and I’m sure that his story last weekend in the wake of Texas and Oklahoma making reservations to be in the Southeastern Conference and the rumored (far from happening) alliance with the ACC, Big Ten, and Pac-12 was not welcomed by most Oklahoma State and remaining Big 12 schools’ fans.

Dodd drove it home that the meeting and discussion of the ACC, Big Ten, and Pac-12 leaving out the rest of the Big 12 meant the Big 12 is not desired.

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Dodd has covered the Big 12 and college football nationally for a long time.

Dodd wrote:

“Of course, even the hint of an alliance is a bad sign for the Big 12. It signals that the Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12 do not believe the Big 12's eight remaining programs -- in any form -- bring substantial value to their conferences. Taken a step further, it suggests a reality that could see the Big 12 or American fade away with one likely absorbing the other.”

Dodd added that the remaining Big 12 schools would be in for doom and gloom. Dodd called it a nuclear winter for those school’s athletic budgets. He is right if all those schools die on the vine, but my contention is a few will die and a few will be picked up in other conferences. We have stated that if the SEC and Greg Sankey want to see Texas and Oklahoma playing in the SEC before the grant-of-rights are up then the simplest solution is to pick up a couple of other Big 12 schools and help the conference dissolve earlier. There are also some spots, even with an alliance, that could open up in the Big Ten and the Pac-12. The one league I see standing pat is the Atlantic Coast Conference.  

Here is where I disagree with Dodd as he hinted that Oklahoma State could fall from being a Power Five or major conference member.

Dodd wrote:

“Who absorbs who doesn't really matter at this point. We're almost assured of dropping from 10 to nine FBS conferences. Ten years ago, realignment offered a step up for the likes TCU (Big 12) and Utah (Pac-12). This time, it threatens to thin the herd with the likes of Oklahoma State, Kansas State and Baylor no longer being major-conference members. Kansas could wind up playing basketball in the Mountain West.

Cut from that herd would be eight Big 12 athletic departments with a combined nine national championships in football and basketball and 44 major bowl berths.

"That's a massive, massive blow," one high-profile sports TV industry source said.”

Why I don’t see that happening is this. Based on the television numbers from Sports Media Watch.

Texas and Oklahoma combined over the 2015-19 seasons we used on average viewers per week (game) for 41 percent of the viewers watching all of Big 12 football contests. Oklahoma State accounted for just under 12 percent of viewers per week, meaning that those three Texas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State accounted for 53 percent of the viewers per week.

Big 12 Schools by average viewers per week and percentage (2015-19) Viewers in millions Percentage
1. Oklahoma 2.9 21 percent
2. Texas 2.7 20 percent
3. Oklahoma State 1.64 12 percent
4. TCU 1.5 11 percent
5. West Virginia 1.3 9.2 percent
6. Baylor 1.1 8 percent
7. Texas Tech .921 7 percent
8. Iowa State .747 5.1 percent
9. Kansas State .682 4.9 percent
10. Kansas .346 2.5 percent

TCU was next at 11 percent, West Virginia at 9.2 percent, and Baylor at eight percent.

I would say any of those schools would be candidates to get picked up. The other schools in Texas Tech, Iowa State, Kansas State, and Kansas are not where you would want to be in television viewers.

These games do include all teams’ games including the games they play against Texas and Oklahoma. It is fair as in other conferences you play big draw teams such as Alabama and Georgia in the SEC, Ohio State and Michigan in the Big Ten, etc. 

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Oklahoma State Better Alone Than With Rest of Big 12?

18,312 Views | 44 Replies | Last: 3 yr ago by CaliforniaCowboy
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

Well, there you go. OU and UT represent 1/3 of the viewership. Thanks for the confirmation. Now add the 20% fewer games and what do you have? OU and UT leaving cuts the value of the B12 media deal in half.

Did you even read my posts?
It's only 20% of the games, but it accounts for 1/3 of the viewership.... right?

That 1/3 of viewership doesn't already make up that 20% of games?

can you count that viewership twice?

I think NJ was saying the remaining Big8, make up 80% of the games and 2/3 of the viewership, so likely NOT a 50% reduction?





OU/UT leaving will reduce inventory 20%, period.
Viewership of B12 games will be reduced 33% (I think more, but whatever) without OU and UT eyes.
Combined, a 50 % overall reduction can be expected. Just like Bowlsby said.
NJAggie
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

Well, there you go. OU and UT represent 1/3 of the viewership. Thanks for the confirmation. Now add the 20% fewer games and what do you have? OU and UT leaving cuts the value of the B12 media deal in half.

Did you even read my posts?
It's only 20% of the games, but it accounts for 1/3 of the viewership.... right?

That 1/3 of viewership doesn't already make up that 20% of games?

can you count that viewership twice?

I think NJ was saying the remaining Big8, make up 80% of the games and 2/3 of the viewership, so likely NOT a 50% reduction?



That's correct and since you don't have to pay those two dead beats losing their games is not any more of an impact than previously. In fact it would probably mean no games on ESPN+ (or whatever streaming service we put our excess sports on). So it is in no way a 50% reduction. At worst it's 33%, but as I said once you take into account putting the existing teams in better time slots, and having them play games that matter for making the CCG or playoff then you get some of that back. Then with fewer games you have fewer games relegated to the worst venues/slots and that brings up the value of the package. The TV package doesn't pay a flat fee for games it pays out by which network the games are on.
CaliforniaCowboy
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:




OU/UT leaving will reduce inventory 20%, period.
Viewership of B12 games will be reduced 33% (I think more, but whatever) without OU and UT eyes.
Combined, a 50 % overall reduction can be expected. Just like Bowlsby said.

you're double dipping.

OU/UT leaving will reduce inventory 20%, which IS 33% of the tabulated viewership.

You seem to be making up some unsupported numbers of how many goon/horn fans watch KU vs. KState, or WVU vs. TT, just for grins. Perhaps you could provide us with the OKC and Dallas/Houston TV markets during those remaining 80% of B12 games, so we can see all these goons tuning in to watch KU football.

(I think you pulled the whole additional 33% out of thin air, but whatever)


NJAggie
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Lots of Twitter traffic from Pac12 followers that leak is out. PAC needs to take 2 to match B1G and ACC numbers.
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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UT and OU viewers make up at least 33%. I think it's more like 40%. If OU and UT didn't leave but all their fans stopped watching, by definition there would be an overall 33% reduction in viewers though there would still be many non-OU/UT viewers of their games. If you then eliminated that 20% of games you'd lose all those non-OU/UT viewers.

Not double dipping.
NJAggie
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

UT and OU viewers make up at least 33%. I think it's more like 40%. If OU and UT didn't leave but all their fans stopped watching, by definition there would be an overall 33% reduction in viewers though there would still be many non-OU/UT viewers of their games. If you then eliminated that 20% of games you'd lose all those non-OU/UT viewers.

Not double dipping.
Total double dipping, and the OU/UT viewers aren't the only people watching our games, so I doubt they make up 20% of the audience for any non-OU/UT games. Most OU/UT fans are not fans of CFB just the team who's T-Shirt they own.

Most of the 8's viewers are hard core fans of the school. So keep trying to make ESPN's absurd assertion real, but it doesn't match the numbers.
CaliforniaCowboy
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the guy just can't do simple math... I'm out NJ.

good luck.

he was freaking tripplie counting that last post... SMH
GumbyFromPokeyLand
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NJAggie said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

UT and OU viewers make up at least 33%. I think it's more like 40%. If OU and UT didn't leave but all their fans stopped watching, by definition there would be an overall 33% reduction in viewers though there would still be many non-OU/UT viewers of their games. If you then eliminated that 20% of games you'd lose all those non-OU/UT viewers.

Not double dipping.
Total double dipping, and the OU/UT viewers aren't the only people watching our games, so I doubt they make up 20% of the audience for any non-OU/UT games. Most OU/UT fans are not fans of CFB just the team who's T-Shirt they own.

Most of the 8's viewers are hard core fans of the school. So keep trying to make ESPN's absurd assertion real, but it doesn't match the numbers.


Just quit the "our" viewers angle. "Our" viewers are irrelevant. If you don't believe OU/Ut don't have at least 2-3 times that of the conference on average, let's quit the debate, it's useless.
CaliforniaCowboy
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

NJAggie said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

UT and OU viewers make up at least 33%. I think it's more like 40%. If OU and UT didn't leave but all their fans stopped watching, by definition there would be an overall 33% reduction in viewers though there would still be many non-OU/UT viewers of their games. If you then eliminated that 20% of games you'd lose all those non-OU/UT viewers.

Not double dipping.
Total double dipping, and the OU/UT viewers aren't the only people watching our games, so I doubt they make up 20% of the audience for any non-OU/UT games. Most OU/UT fans are not fans of CFB just the team who's T-Shirt they own.

Most of the 8's viewers are hard core fans of the school. So keep trying to make ESPN's absurd assertion real, but it doesn't match the numbers.


Just quit the "our" viewers angle. "Our" viewers are irrelevant. If you don't believe OU/Ut don't have at least 2-3 times that of the conference on average, let's quit the debate, it's useless.
you don't have to guess or "think" about it... the viewership numbers were posted.
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