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The Cost of Winning Football Games Is Going Up, Pokes Will Need To Pay

January 3, 2022
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STILLWATER – Lost in the euphoria on Saturday of No. 9 Oklahoma State beating No. 5 Notre Dame 37-35 in the PlayStation Fiesta Bowl was the price of being a blue blood in college football. Cowboys head coach Mike Gundy talked about it throughout the bowl season. The head coach who just finished his seventeenth season at his alma mater has taken the program to 16-straight winning seasons and bowl appearances, and capped the 2021 season off with a second all-time school-best 12-win season and a 37-35 win over Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl.

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Cowboys slot receiver Brennan Presley with a big catch in the win over Notre Dame.

Gundy met with several of the beat media on Sunday morning in the lobby of the Oklahoma State team hotel, The Scottsdale Plaza Resort. The media asked what Gundy meant by Oklahoma State having a chance and what he was asking for to give the Cowboys a seat at college football’s blue blood table. Afterall, his team this season beat Texas in Austin, Oklahoma in Bedlam in Stillwater, and then the Irish in the bowl game. Oklahoma State fans can pinch themselves, with one Poke fan taking an ice bath to pay off bets after the Oklahoma State 21-point comeback in the Fiesta Bowl.

I equate it to taking your chips in the poker game call Power Five college football and instead of matching the bet instead you take your chips and push them into the middle of the table and say you are “all in.”

Oklahoma State has never been “all in”. In 2020 the Oklahoma State football program, according to the University’s financial report, made $53.5-million and the budget for football that year was $24.4 million. By the way, for that same year, Oklahoma State’s vanquished bowl opponent Notre Dame had a budget of $50.2 million. Notre Dame spent about what the Cowboys brought in. The OSU numbers are straight finances and don’t count any major gifts that donors might make. This is ticket, television, radio, bowl, and all conference revenue connected to football. The expenses are salaries, supplies, travel, and all other costs of keeping a football team going.

It is hard to get great accurate numbers on football budgets, football only. I did run into an athletic director’s analysis that had the average football budgets for major schools between 2014-2018. Here is a list of schools that might be interesting.

School Avg. Football Budget between 2014-18
Alabama $60.9-million
Florida State $49.74-million
Auburn $43.25-million
Ohio State $42.99-million
Michigan $41.1-million
Clemson $40.95-million
Texas $40.92-million
Penn State $40.92-million
Notre Dame $39.4-million
Arkansas $38.03-million
Oklahoma $37.3-million
TCU $36.59-million
Oklahoma State $21.54-million

Now in these days of escalating salaries for both head coaches, assistant coaches, and support staffs, which also continue to increase in size; the continuing facility building; and increased player benefits from stipends to NIL it has become even more imperative to be one of the haves. Players have more choices and faster ability to make those with the transfer portal.

Players want to go to the programs that are big brands and recognized that way. Coaches’ salaries are being pitched out there like medals on a uniform. Nick Saban makes the most at Alabama as close to $12 million, but how about some of these recent raises passed out.

Head Coach School Annual Salary in Latest Contract
Brian Kelly LSU $9.5-million
Billy Napier Florida $7.4-million
Lane Kiffin Ole Miss $7.25-million
Sam Pittman Arkansas $7.1-million
*Brent Venables Oklahoma $6.7-million
Steve Sarkisian Texas $6.7-million
Dana Holgorsen Houston  Rumored at $6.0-million
Sonny Dykes TCU  Reported at $5.0-million
*Joey McGuire Texas Tech $3.0-million

*denotes first-time college head coach

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Castiglione giving Venables a $7.5-million pool for assistant coaches is major.

What is even more critical is the pools of money being paid out for the 10-member full-time coaching staffs. Miami, Fla. is said to have given head coach Mario Cristobal a pool of $8 million. That is $8 million for 10 positions. Obviously, you are paying your coordinators more, but the average would be $750,000 per assistant coach. Brent Venables at Oklahoma has been given a pool of $7.5 million for his coaching staff. New Texas Tech coach Joey McGuire is making $3 million, but he has a poll of 4.3 million for his staff. That is over the current Oklahoma State pool.

Now, my understanding is Oklahoma State University President Dr. Kayse Shrum and athletics director Chad Weiberg understand fully. They know the importance of football and how critical it is for the future of the University and all of Oklahoma State University athletics.

As we speak schools are looking at potential hires and just like with Jim Knowles going to Ohio State, schools recognize the success of the Cowboys and how valuable the of the staff Mike Gundy has assembled. To borrow a phrase from the show and apparel company Under Armour, “You must protect this House.”

Mike Gundy has said it. The numbers prove it. The college football world knows it. Oklahoma State has overachieved and pushed their way to the brink of the sports’ penthouse by working hard and climbing the stairs. In order to get in and stay in, Oklahoma State needs to go “all in.”

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The Cost of Winning Football Games Is Going Up, Pokes Will Need To Pay

13,497 Views | 17 Replies | Last: 2 yr ago by Roughrider
PaloDuroPoke
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Hog wash!!!! Those of us supporting are already doing it at a high level. Ticket prices are some of the highest in the conference and we can't sell the out now. Love what Gundy has done with this program because he has out worked them in developing players, scouting talent, and getting the kids that fit his culture. There are 4 teams on that list we fall behind in terms of wins in the last decade. It proves that tradition trumps money. Look at Texas, A&M, Florida State, etc. all their money hasn't elevated their programs. The argument can be made it's hurt them by being entitled or lazy in important areas. We beat ND, Oklahoma, and Texas not because of budgets but because of the culture. Like I said do the best you can with all you can get but don't tell me money equals automatic success. The numbers don't bear it out
RideWithPride
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So who pays the players salaries? Can the program do it? Or just NIL? Can Cowboy football direct the NIL? Guide players to be paid? Seems like there are no rules in place.
Crazed_Stallion
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Money sure as hell helped Clemson punch through the ceiling. Put money into the program more things will happen in recruiting. Your right, it doesn't mean wins, it keeps up with the Jones's. Gotta pay to play.
Crazed_Stallion
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Nope has to come from the "outside".
Orangeheart72
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Palo Poke - I think the article points out the danger of not competing financially for your assistants and the upcoming NIL affects. When UT can tell OL recruits you're going to start at $35k.....as compared to OSU saying NIL monies are possible, it has an impact. Really just comes down to what OSU alums with financial resources and NIL business opportunities want to do. One things for sure......the odds improve with the dollars. No guarantees, but increased odds. Ticket prices won't help much if at all anymore. There's a point (and we're likely close) where higher tickets have a declining return due to people dropping season tickets.
rphosu
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I posted on earlier article that I am 76 years old and am far from being a "rich man, and my parents were both teachers, with my dad dying from Parkinsons when I was 12- but God has been very good to me, and I am ready to "invest" in the future of a program that I would propose be named the "Loyal and True" Grassroots NIL Fund, to be administered by the OSU Alumni Association, and would ONLY be used to enhance the players experience at OSU- no salaries to any OSU or Association employees!

I really think that you might get 10,000 to 20,000 (I was born an optimist!) people to contribute to that type of fund! As I said, I am far from rich, but God has certainly been good to me- and thousands of other OSU alums, and friends of the university- the USA is chock full of people like myself! As for myself, I will commit to giving $1,000 monthly- some can do more, many less, but it would be a "grassroots" program- anyone that loves OSU and is truly "Loyal and True" is eligible!!

No minimum amount, but with the goal of raising $10.0 MM- So that no player feels left out, have a " base" of $1,000 for every player on the team which, counting walkons, equals roughly $1.2MM and go from there -- To keep the players that are essential in helping us reach the championship level it will obviously require more than $1,000 monthlyl! There is an old saying, "it ts the thought that counts"! We will never be able match the Ohio Sates for $1.0MM quarterbacks, but for many, It's the "thought that counts"!

And, I know that, based on the "market" Mike Gundy is underpaid, but he is also an alum. and to give this fund some "momentum," maybe he could contribute the first $1.0MM!!?? Maybe on a "matching" basis!?? I really think that Mike Gundy is starting to realize how TRULY BLESSED he has been-- and is ready, willing and able to "pay it forward"-- and it'll probably ensure that he is a Hall of Fame coach!!

CaliforniaCowboy
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your intentions are admirable... but woefully inadequate.

At Texas alone, they ALREADY have the Pancake Factory Charity that pays $50,000/yr to 16 offensive linemen up to $800,000/yr .... and that's just for that fund

Last week, another UT alumni-led NIL initiative known as Clark Field Collective announced $10 million in pledges to help Longhorn athletes facilitate deals across 17 sports. The collective is a key participating donor to Horns with Heart.

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you're beating the drum at OSU, while money schools like Texas already have those types of funds in place, in only a couple of weeks.

I would suggest that we lay low until some of this blows over, recruiting is essentially over for the year.
gdonwil23
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Recruiting is never over. Gundy and staff will be out evaluating players and recruiting now for 2023 and future years. Hopefully NCAA or some conferences will put limits on these NIL deals but not holding my breath. They are buying players! The other immediate issue is staff and recruiting budget and those costs will continue to go up. Funds for these expenses have to come from areas other than ticket prices or our fans are really going to need to cut back on their expectations for this program.
Crazed_Stallion
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It's not going away, and it won't "blow over." We have to get in the boat or watch it leave.
CaliforniaCowboy
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Crazed_Stallion said:

It's not going away, and it won't "blow over." We have to get in the boat or watch it leave.
that's one opinion.

CowboyKip
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Guys, this is rapidly becoming "pay for play". It will have to be regulated or we will get the abuses that professional sports endured in the 70's & 80's. The NFL, NBA, and MLB all went to salary caps.
Orangeheart72
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Hard to know much about this period at this point. Seemingly no guidance coming out for alums. You would think there's at least some risk of wandering into a compliance issue.....but perhaps we're all past any rules whatsoever. The offer above for the alum association to manage it was interesting. But can it be that "school related" (OSU Possee or Alumni Association) or does it have to arise from private business arrangements with players or their NIL agents. My wife said she saw a story it will cost $1Million to be in the running for Caleb Williams alone. Really?!
NorthDFWPoke
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Staff
Some good points on here - RA beware of becoming a football only advocate. Your best message is that striking in football while the iron is hot is our plan. As football grows the entire sept grows. Sometimes you make it sound like cutting all the other sports budget would help football. Less soccer balls don't make football better.


There is so much debt in college athletics some programs will fall away. Some programs will spend a lot and be 7-5. Some will use funding wisely allowing the entire athletic dept build our brand and prosper.
It will take luck, money and skill to move up the peg board of the big 12.
NJAggie
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While I agree that now is an historic opportunity for OSU to raise our profile, I also think its time to weigh in carefully. We don't have the money to jump in at the UT level. And, truthfully we don't need to. How many kids is UT going to steal from OSU with how much ever they want to pay their kids to play?

In fact in their case the NIL money will just fuel the entitlement so now they'll be cutting checks to these kids that are under performing and out of shape.

We've got to see where the conference revenue is going to wind up. We can't begin to play that game if we are making less than the SEC & B1G. Frankly I think we'll see that gap grow, but we'll still be making more than we are now.

It's not money that I see as being key its going to be winning in the new conference. We are going to have a real chance to wind up in a good position to get better TV slots than we have. Someone has to wind up on the Networks with ou/ut gone, and it might as well be OSU. Network TV slots, wins, CCG appearances, and playoff slots will all raise our profile.

In fact if some bizarre change occurred and the SEC offered us a slot I'd think we'd probably be better off staying out of the SEC and in the medias eye in stead of wallowing into the middle of the SEC pack and being worse off than we've been in the Big XII.

Luckily further expansion other than the B1G by 2 teams or the ACC by 1 team is very unlikely.
backphil
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One certain way to keep the differences in NIL and TV money in check and affordable is to move to a "non-voting" playoff system for a true National Championship. If the NCAA moves to a playoff system that is seeded only with conference champions, then we will see each conference competing only amongst themselves, financially, to get their champion into the playoffs. No more multiple "best teams" voted into the playoffs. It won't make sense for a Big 12, PAC 12, or ACC team to try and keep up with the wealthy B1G and SEC blue bloods, because each conference only gets one team in the playoffs, their own champion. The going rate for NIL or total football budgets (ie. TV money) will be determined by how much it costs to be competitive in one's own conference, not those of the blue bloods. ESPN will no longer be able to get multiple teams from the SEC into the playoffs, hence there will not be a financial incentive to flood the SEC with as much TV money.

If you take the champions of the current Power Five Conferences and add the top three champions of the Group of Five conferences, (in any year determined by a computerized strength of schedule program, similar to the BCS computer program) then you would have an interesting and competitive 8-team playoff each year. Seeding the teams would be done with the same sort of BCS-esque computer program. Zero Voting and no more pimping multiple SEC teams to get into the playoffs by the ESPN talking heads.!
CaliforniaCowboy
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Phil... none of the existing NCAA playoffs follow that model..... none of them.

each sport has both conference champions and at-large teams. at least the major sports

Roughrider
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We don't need more money. We need more money that football earns to remain with football.
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