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Sanders Deserves No Blame, Uncertainty Now, and Gunnar Gundy Comments

October 30, 2022
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MANHATTAN, Kansas – The look on Spencer Sander’s face was different than the one seen almost a month ago in the waning moments of the win over Texas Tech. That look was pain, but this look was more panic, more demonstrative, and Sanders brought his left arm up and was trying to get to his right shoulder to rub it, check it out. Sanders went to the tent and then a few minutes later after head football trainer Scott Parker conferred with a Kansas State trainer on the Oklahoma State sideline, Sanders was walked over to the Kansas State training room where he likely was X-rayed. By the time the Cowboys team reached the locker room after the 48-0 loss to K-State Sanders was showered and dressed and sitting back out of view in his locker as Mike Gundy addressed the team.

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Sanders sacked on Saturday. He took a fourth quarter hit where his shoulder was mashed into the turf.

Prior to being hurt, Sanders was 13-of-26 for 147-yards and one interception. His one interception was thrown where the ball was supposed to be but after he released it receiver Stephon Johnson Jr. slipped. There were several of Sanders’ throws that were dropped, and a 29-yard gain was lost when Brennan Presley fumbled the ball downfield after the catch. Sanders was seen hugging Presley’s neck on the way to the sideline after that play. 

Gundy and his staff don’t address injuries and they especially don’t address injuries when it comes to a starting quarterback and a team most valuable player like Sanders. I’m not a doctor and I don’t know anything, but a good guess would be that the Cowboys might be playing a different quarterback next Saturday in Lawrence, Kan. There would at least be a chance of that. First call on that duty would be red-shirt freshman Gunnar Gundy. In limited duty in the fourth quarter Gundy was the leading rusher with five carries for 27-yards. He was just two-of-seven passing but there was one drop and an almost interception.

His best drive taking the team 43-yards on 10 plays to the Kansas State 32-yard-line before a Patrick Mahomes’ type pitch was intercepted by the Wildcats. How did Gundy feel about his longest playing stint against a Big 12 opponent?

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Gundy very much looks up to Sanders. 

“Spencer came out and I had to come in and do the best that I can and run the offense,” Gundy started with his answer. “We had a little drive going and I had an ignorant play (pitch that was intercepted). Something that can’t happen, you have to have your feet set when you throw the ball. You can’t do stupid stuff. I hope Spence (Sanders) is okay. You know I hope everything is fine and I’m praying for him. You have to go home and try to correct the best we can and move on.”

As for the 22-yard run in particular, the only double-digit run of the day for the Cowboys, Gundy said it felt good.

“It felt good making a pretty big run for the first time against a Big 12 team. It felt pretty good,” Gundy said. "It kind of calmed me down just a little bit, but you have to stack good plays and you can’t ruin a good drive with a play like that (intercepted pitch). We just have to get better.”

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Gundy is short on game experience but he has been around football and quarterbacking his entire life.

Gundy has watched his dad, he’s watched Spencer Sanders and OSU quarterbacks before Sanders. He knows how to talk to the media.

“Sometimes in football stuff worked out for them really well in big time situations,” Gundy said of Kansas State. “They had good plays in situations, and they ran the ball well. Sometimes those things happen. It felt like you turn the faucet on and you can’t turn it off. I’m proud of our guys for fighting and they had a little heart, and I was extremely proud of our guys and Spencer.”

Offensive coordinator Kasey Dunn has a theory and a process he wants and he explained it after the game by explaining what he said to his receivers in the locker room, it happened to be right by the quarterbacks including Gundy and Garret Rangel, who are possibly much closer to playing today than they were yesterday at Kansas State.

“The first thing when I pulled the wideouts after the game, this game was the polar opposite of last week's game,” Dunn said. “The highs of that one were just phenomenal. And we've got to learn to put those types of emotions in the middle, no matter what. Get after it and you're winning or winning a big game like last week versus Texas. You've got to find a way to take that thing from being here and move it to there through the course of the week. You can't continue to ride on that (emotion and high). And the same thing has to happen (after) this game. So, we've got to put everything in the middle and just go to work. It needs to be a flatline all year long and the highs and lows are on game day and all the sudden you're back to the middle."

Even though right now at 6-2 but after a 48-0 loss it doesn’t feel like the middle. It feels lower. Spencer Sanders health is a concern, but if you are Gunnar Gundy or Garret Rangel you’d better get yourself ready. It looks like your time to step up might be this week.

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Sanders Deserves No Blame, Uncertainty Now, and Gunnar Gundy Comments

18,558 Views | 28 Replies | Last: 2 yr ago by Crazed_Stallion
CaliforniaCowboy
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what are you talking about, Sanders was freaking horrible.

He goes into total brain freeze every time there is the slightest adversity, just like Saturday.

I realize that the OLine was having big time troubles, and Dunn did not provide any CW help in picking up blitzers, but ... come on.... happy feet, behind players, over their heads, lack of running at the first sign of trouble, I can't really remember anything that he did correctly.

I really don't want to bash the kid, and frankly we didn't have anybody adequate to fill in for him, but enough with the "it's not his freaking fault stuff". If it's not Sanders' fault then it's Dunn's fault. The play calling was horrendous.

Dunn has never shown any offensive creativity.
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Damn! I sure hope Spencer is ok and he can play against KU. We certainly need our best "Jimmy" and "Joe's" because this next staff we face will run laps around ours with the "X's" and "O's." Man, I sure hope playing him in the 4th down 41 was the right decision with several key games still to play with little margin of error to make Arlington.

Go Cowboys!
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eecowboy said:

Damn! I sure hope Spencer is ok and he can play against KU. We certainly need our best "Jimmy" and "Joe's" because this next staff we face will run laps around ours with the "X's" and "O's." Man, I sure hope playing him in the 4th down 41 was the right decision with several key games still to play with little margin of error to make Arlington.

Go Cowboys!
Like I said in another post after that hit, where I felt Spencer should have been pulled before that series, I was as aggravated with Mike as I have been in a long, long time! The last time I was this aggravated was the last shut out we suffered against OU in 2009 when we lost 27 - 0 with a seriously wounded Robinson at QB!!!
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I am sure Gunner is a great kid but will not win another game in the Big 12 unless Sanders is able to play. Kansas is a good team.
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Quit attacking Spencer.

You cry every. single. damn. time. ANYONE says anything to you snowflake.
Tulsa Booster
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California Cowboy. You get on the band wagon when we are winning but it is always apparent that in football and basketball you are waiting for the slightest opportunity to let us know how bad we are and we have no hope. Then when somebody calls you out on your idiotic posts you say that whoever it is, is trying to pick a fight with you. But never once that I can recall, have you ever offered your strategy as what we needed to do to make things better.

If you make idiotic posts, be prepared to be called out. Have you ever noticed that your posts are often the ones that create the most backlash? Oh, I forgot, everybody picks on you. Yeah, right.
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Yes KU is a decent team, but don't count out this team if Sanders isn't able to play. Gundy or Rangel will be in a tough situation, but I bet the rise to it. It'll be tough, but let's give them the benefit of our best expectations.
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

what are you talking about, Sanders was freaking horrible.

He goes into total brain freeze every time there is the slightest adversity, just like Saturday.

I realize that the OLine was having big time troubles, and Dunn did not provide any CW help in picking up blitzers, but ... come on.... happy feet, behind players, over their heads, lack of running at the first sign of trouble, I can't really remember anything that he did correctly.

I really don't want to bash the kid, and frankly we didn't have anybody adequate to fill in for him, but enough with the "it's not his freaking fault stuff". If it's not Sanders' fault then it's Dunn's fault. The play calling was horrendous.

Dunn has never shown any offensive creativity.



Sanders freezes at the slightest adversity? There's only one way to describe that statement - idiotic.

What QB leads the NCAA in double digit comebacks over the past two seasons? Spencer Sanders.
CaliforniaCowboy
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_888 said:

Quit attacking Spencer.

You cry every. single. damn. time. ANYONE says anything to you snowflake.
I was responding to the headline of the tread. Quit attacking me, you basher (there how does that feel?)

I wasn't trying to attack Sanders, I was commenting on what was written in the article. I was talking about the article, you were talking about me. Grow up.

who's fault do you make it? It's everybody's fault, including Sanders, not excluding him.

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Tulsa Booster said:

California Cowboy. You get on the band wagon when we are winning but it is always apparent that in football and basketball you are waiting for the slightest opportunity to let us know how bad we are and we have no hope. Then when somebody calls you out on your idiotic posts you say that whoever it is, is trying to pick a fight with you. But never once that I can recall, have you ever offered your strategy as what we needed to do to make things better.

If you make idiotic posts, be prepared to be called out. Have you ever noticed that your posts are often the ones that create the most backlash? Oh, I forgot, everybody picks on you. Yeah, right.
Naw, you got it all wrong.

I do not band wagon, I am Cowboy true, through and though, win or lose, high or low.

but my opinions are that 1) Sanders doesn't get a pass in a blow out loss, that is an idiotic position to take, and 2) I don't think Boynton has done enough for the program to be making record money for no results.

I never ever say we have no hope, and I didn't say it here. I am the eternal optimist. I thought this was a 9-10 win football team, with Sanders healthy, and I still think so. I have no idea what to think of this basketball team since we haven't seen many of them ever play.

I have said what I think we need to be better, many time, but frankly I'm not the one getting paid for making us better. I said (often) that we're a much better football team with a passing QB (Robinson, Weeden, Rudolph.. and yes, Illingworth, if coach had not been infatuated with this dual threat crap).

In basketball I have stated many times that we don't have a PG, and Boynton doesn't seem to know what one looks like (not since Owens or Smart). Coach B likes to play the AAU nonsense where every player plays every position and it's all fluid, which is not what I would prefer. This year we at least have some height were we might even be able to try Boone and Cisse at the same time, and maybe, just maybe the transfer kid can play decent PG.

It's now clear why you made that post, you've never really listened to what I have to say, it's not my shortcoming, it is yours.
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I appreciate Spencer, but can't understand coaches not protecting him down 30 points in second half and giving Gunnar some live game experience against second string defense. I'd already bought KU tickets before KSU. Can't say I'm very optomistic about our chances now, but we'll see. If HCMGundy rally's this team after this mess, it will be quite the coaching job. Especially if he does it without Sanders which appears likely.
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:




Sanders freezes at the slightest adversity? There's only one way to describe that statement - idiotic.

What QB leads the NCAA in double digit comebacks over the past two seasons? Spencer Sanders.
Bleh.... semantics, leave me alone.

I never agreed that "comebacks" was a harbinger of anything, you chose that single metric out of thin air.

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:




Sanders freezes at the slightest adversity? There's only one way to describe that statement - idiotic.

What QB leads the NCAA in double digit comebacks over the past two seasons? Spencer Sanders.
Bleh.... semantics, leave me alone.

I never agreed that "comebacks" was a harbinger of anything, you chose that single metric out of thin air.



So, being down double digits is NOT "the slightest adversity"?
Now that is the most idiotic thing you've said in about a day.
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:




Sanders freezes at the slightest adversity? There's only one way to describe that statement - idiotic.

What QB leads the NCAA in double digit comebacks over the past two seasons? Spencer Sanders.
Bleh.... semantics, leave me alone.

I never agreed that "comebacks" was a harbinger of anything, you chose that single metric out of thin air.



So, being down double digits is NOT "the slightest adversity"?
Now that is the most idiotic thing you've said in about a day.
actually, you are once again taking my words and intentionally misconstruing them just like you always do, simply to start fights.

I'm not playing your silly word games.

I already said you were using semantics, no need to double down on it.... TEAMS win games, even from come from behind, QBs play on teams. Even a guy in full on brain freeze can get bailed out by their team.

I'm just not going to play your silly little kids games. move on
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:




Sanders freezes at the slightest adversity? There's only one way to describe that statement - idiotic.

What QB leads the NCAA in double digit comebacks over the past two seasons? Spencer Sanders.
Bleh.... semantics, leave me alone.

I never agreed that "comebacks" was a harbinger of anything, you chose that single metric out of thin air.



So, being down double digits is NOT "the slightest adversity"?
Now that is the most idiotic thing you've said in about a day.
actually, you are once again taking my words and intentionally misconstruing them just like you always do, simply to start fights.

I'm not playing your silly word games.

I already said you were using semantics, no need to double down on it.... TEAMS win games, even from come from behind, QBs play on teams. Even a guy in full on brain freeze can get bailed out by their team.

I'm just not going to play your silly little kids games. move on


So, the MVP of the Fiesta Bowl leading a 21-pt comeback got bailed out by his team?
The B12 offensive player of the week in last weeks 14-pt comeback game vs the horns got bailed out by his team?

Yeah, there was no adversity there to overcome.

Boy, the idiocy just keeps coming.
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_888 said:

Quit attacking Spencer.

You cry every. single. damn. time. ANYONE says anything to you snowflake.


He's never been a Sanders fan. His choice for QB would have been Illingworth - who can't even secure the starting role at Nevada.
aggie1
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I don't know about everyone else, but I am sure tired of California Cowboy and his posts.

He rarely has anything intelligent to say and sure has a low football IQ.

Please go away CC and find something else to do with your time and keyboard.
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Seems like you already noticed but cali is all over the place man. Better off just ignoring him really cuz your opinion will always just be wrong or an attack it really doesn't go any other way. I can't even respond to the dude anymore he makes such little sense most of the time and cries wolf over literally anything
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Had to play happy feet. This Oline couldn't block UCO or any team for that matter on Saturday. Kansas State with a 3 man rush was absolutely embarrassing these guys who shouldn't have been playing. It was downright awful. Sanders has been holding this together forever. After this season and he is gone this will be a 6-6 team MAYBE. We have zero Oline recruiting or development going on.
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This team is done sniffing Arlington. You just hope they win 1 more. Without Sanders, that's unlikely. Our backup shouldn't be playing power 5 football.
Crazed_Stallion
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You have to count them out. Kansas was 5-0, lost their QB who comes back after a bye week. Kansas will roll this defense. Can the offense keep up? We saw last week no! Without Samders we just pray for a FG.
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

_888 said:

Quit attacking Spencer.

You cry every. single. damn. time. ANYONE says anything to you snowflake.


He's never been a Sanders fan. His choice for QB would have been Illingworth - who can't even secure the starting role at Nevada.
Illingworth has started several games at Nevada. The problem at Nevada is their OLine.

but you're too biased and cruel to even pay attention to that scenario.

Idiocy is your first name.
CaliforniaCowboy
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aggie1 said:

I don't know about everyone else, but I am sure tired of California Cowboy and his posts.

He rarely has anything intelligent to say and sure has a low football IQ.

Please go away CC and find something else to do with your time and keyboard.
well, that sure demonstrated your football IQ.... let's see... that would be -20

and btw, that sure was some intelligent stuff you added to the forum, hell, that will probably be the best information for the next decade. I'm certainly glad you posted bashes on others. Brilliant!

The forum would actually be better off without your 12 total posts.
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GumbyFromPokeyLand
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:




Sanders freezes at the slightest adversity? There's only one way to describe that statement - idiotic.

What QB leads the NCAA in double digit comebacks over the past two seasons? Spencer Sanders.
Bleh.... semantics, leave me alone.

I never agreed that "comebacks" was a harbinger of anything, you chose that single metric out of thin air.



So, being down double digits is NOT "the slightest adversity"?
Now that is the most idiotic thing you've said in about a day.
actually, you are once again taking my words and intentionally misconstruing them just like you always do, simply to start fights.

I'm not playing your silly word games.

I already said you were using semantics, no need to double down on it.... TEAMS win games, even from come from behind, QBs play on teams. Even a guy in full on brain freeze can get bailed out by their team.

I'm just not going to play your silly little kids games. move on


So, the MVP of the Fiesta Bowl leading a 21-pt comeback got bailed out by his team?
The B12 offensive player of the week in last weeks 14-pt comeback game vs the horns got bailed out by his team?

Yeah, there was no adversity there to overcome.

Boy, the idiocy just keeps coming.
no. of course not. You're a dumbass as I've made clear already. The Fiesta bowl was not a critical game, nobody even cared.

I don't place any credence is self serving "play of the day" awards, they're meaningless. You can worship to them if you want.

Idiocy is your freaking first name.


Nobody cared about the Fiesta Bowl? Gundy ranked it as the most important game in his coaching tenure. But, we know you'll dispute his ranking because you would disagree with God Almighty.

And the UT game?

Still doesn't explain just what a "slightest adversity" means to you if having to play from behind doesn't qualify. We'll wait while you make something up.

Nonetheless, we'll all remember your opinion all bowl games are not critical.
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CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

_888 said:

Quit attacking Spencer.

You cry every. single. damn. time. ANYONE says anything to you snowflake.


He's never been a Sanders fan. His choice for QB would have been Illingworth - who can't even secure the starting role at Nevada.
Illingworth has started several games at Nevada. The problem at Nevada is their OLine.

but you're too biased and cruel to even pay attention to that scenario.

Idiocy is your first name.


Started 3 games, played in 6 or 7. Thrown 2 tuddies and 3 pics. Awesome!
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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

CaliforniaCowboy said:

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:




Sanders freezes at the slightest adversity? There's only one way to describe that statement - idiotic.

What QB leads the NCAA in double digit comebacks over the past two seasons? Spencer Sanders.
Bleh.... semantics, leave me alone.

I never agreed that "comebacks" was a harbinger of anything, you chose that single metric out of thin air.



So, being down double digits is NOT "the slightest adversity"?
Now that is the most idiotic thing you've said in about a day.
actually, you are once again taking my words and intentionally misconstruing them just like you always do, simply to start fights.

I'm not playing your silly word games.

I already said you were using semantics, no need to double down on it.... TEAMS win games, even from come from behind, QBs play on teams. Even a guy in full on brain freeze can get bailed out by their team.

I'm just not going to play your silly little kids games. move on


So, the MVP of the Fiesta Bowl leading a 21-pt comeback got bailed out by his team?
The B12 offensive player of the week in last weeks 14-pt comeback game vs the horns got bailed out by his team?

Yeah, there was no adversity there to overcome.

Boy, the idiocy just keeps coming.
no. of course not. You're a dumbass as I've made clear already. The Fiesta bowl was not a critical game, nobody even cared.

I don't place any credence is self serving "play of the day" awards, they're meaningless. You can worship to them if you want.

Idiocy is your freaking first name.


Nobody cared about the Fiesta Bowl? Gundy ranked it as the most important game in his coaching tenure. But, we know you'll dispute his ranking because you would disagree with God Almighty.

Play of the day? What's that. I said B12 Player of the week. Pay attention.

Still doesn't explain just what a "slightest adversity" means to you if having to play from behind doesn't qualify. We'll wait while you make something up.

Nonetheless, we'll all remember your opinion all bowl games are not critical.
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