Spencer Sanders Goes in the Transfer Portal

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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Uh, no. The genesis of NIL was the OBannon case first filed in 2009, long before the concept of a CFP was ever seriously considered. With or without the CFP, we'd have NIL.

The transfer process and portal were initiated before NIL was adopted thus the portal was not conceived or implemented as a move to spread the wealth. But as stated, combined they have created disastrous results.

If the CFP was magically dissolved, we'd still have NIL. If the CFP was never adopted, we'd still have NIL.

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I disagree with every point, and the facts are there to support my position, but it's not worth discussing further... you can't put the Jennie back into the bottle.

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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Uh, no. The genesis of NIL was the OBannon case first filed in 2009, long before the concept of a CFP was ever seriously considered. With or without the CFP, we'd have NIL.

The transfer process and portal were initiated before NIL was adopted thus the portal was not conceived or implemented as a move to spread the wealth. But as stated, combined they have created disastrous results.

If the CFP was magically dissolved, we'd still have NIL. If the CFP was never adopted, we'd still have NIL.

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I disagree with every point, and the facts are there to support my position, but it's not worth discussing further... you can't put the Jennie back into the bottle.

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So…..

NIL didn't start with OBannon?
OBannon did not predate the CFP?
The portal was created to allow athletes to capture value?
NIL is about the CFP?

I have no idea what world you live in. Well I actually do, but it's not a world open to any other human.

ESPN Analyst Names Perfect Landing Spot For Top Transfer Quarterback - The Spun: What's Trending In The Sports World Today

backphil said:

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ESPN Analyst Names Perfect Landing Spot For Top Transfer Quarterback - The Spun: What's Trending In The Sports World Today

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Nope, right conference, wrong team, think Fighting Lane Kiffins, they payout $$$$$$ an AMAZING AMOUNT TO BRING IN TALENT to Oxford!

Csquaredosu66 said:

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Maicyn02 said:

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I thought it was fans who ***** and moan without ever having stepped on the field? You'll never understand what these young men go through. Never.

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I know exactly what these kids go through! I played for Miles and Gundy. I will tell you that my time at OSU was mixed. Had nothing to do with the fan base.

The coaching staff was horrid! I HATED my position coach and that made life at OSU unbearable. If the transfer portal was available back then, I would have entered it, PERIOD.

I love OSU. I go back often. We watch or listen to every single game. My kid wants to go to OSU. It's a special place...but only for some.

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Chuck Moller was a jackass, if that's who you dealt with as a position coach!

Joe Khatib said:

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Csquaredosu66 said:

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Maicyn02 said:

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I thought it was fans who ***** and moan without ever having stepped on the field? You'll never understand what these young men go through. Never.

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I know exactly what these kids go through! I played for Miles and Gundy. I will tell you that my time at OSU was mixed. Had nothing to do with the fan base.

The coaching staff was horrid! I HATED my position coach and that made life at OSU unbearable. If the transfer portal was available back then, I would have entered it, PERIOD.

I love OSU. I go back often. We watch or listen to every single game. My kid wants to go to OSU. It's a special place...but only for some.

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Chuck Moller was a jackass, if that's who you dealt with as a position coach!

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Yup!

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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I disagree with every point, and the facts are there to support my position, but it's not worth discussing further... you can't put the Jennie back into the bottle.

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So…..

NIL didn't start with OBannon?
OBannon did not predate the CFP?
The portal was created to allow athletes to capture value?
NIL is about the CFP?

I have no idea what world you live in. Well I actually do, but it's not a world open to any other human.

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what part of having a discussion with you is a waste of time, did you not understand?

you're mincing words. you're not listening. The OBannon case DID NOT give him anything. It only PREVENTED the NCAA from benefiting from his "persona".

NIL is the OPPOSITE of what happened with OBannon, where now they ARE ALLOWED to sell their persona.

are they sort of similar, yes, are they the same no (which is why NIL did not exist for another decade).

just quit. You only want to fight, and you're wrong, you're always wrong.

you were doing just fine fighting with Nick and Gary and BigRed, go back and bother them with your silly nonsensical "i gotta be right" arguments.

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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The athletes (their lawyers) have ruined college sports for the fans. I'm already soured on basketball. Now football. I guess it was fun while it lasted.

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but, but, but.... why did it have to end just as I was retiring and preparing to spend my leisure years with my Pokes?

I rang the bell a few years back, that going to a playoff would be the end of college football, and the bowl revelry. That the chase for money (by departments and coaches) would be the end, but nobody wanted to hear it.

Well, you've finally got your beloved 12-team playoff ..... at the cost of total destruction of college conferences, leagues, bowls, teams and players... I hope it was worth it to those of you who cheered it on

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Puuuleeeease. You did not ring the bell. If you believe college football for you was ruined by money, you wouldn't be wrong whether it's the increase in money created by the CFP, or the thirst for money by the athletes in the form of NIL. But the impacts on college football by the CFP and the impacts of NIL on athletes desire to chase booster $$$$ are two separate and unconnected issues. Because of O'Bannon, which pre-dated the CFP and the $$$$ it generates, NIL was going to happen regardless of whether there was ever a CFP because boosters have been trying to attract athletes for decades with the promise of $$$$$. Now you want to take credit for foreseeing the destruction of college football by voicing your opposition to the CFP as if the CFP somehow birthed NIL and booster payments to athletes when it clearly did not. This thread is about the impacts of and distaste for NIL and the transfer portal. Leave your self-promoting misplaced blowhard take on the CFP at the door - it shows your lack of understanding the issues.

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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The athletes (their lawyers) have ruined college sports for the fans. I'm already soured on basketball. Now football. I guess it was fun while it lasted.

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but, but, but.... why did it have to end just as I was retiring and preparing to spend my leisure years with my Pokes?

I rang the bell a few years back, that going to a playoff would be the end of college football, and the bowl revelry. That the chase for money (by departments and coaches) would be the end, but nobody wanted to hear it.

Well, you've finally got your beloved 12-team playoff ..... at the cost of total destruction of college conferences, leagues, bowls, teams and players... I hope it was worth it to those of you who cheered it on

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Puuuleeeease. You did not ring the bell. If you believe college football for you was ruined by money, you wouldn't be wrong whether it's the increase in money created by the CFP, or the thirst for money by the athletes in the form of NIL. But the impacts on college football by the CFP and the impacts of NIL on athletes desire to chase booster $$$$ are two separate and unconnected issues. Because of O'Bannon, which pre-dated the CFP and the $$$$ it generates, NIL was going to happen regardless of whether there was ever a CFP because boosters have been trying to attract athletes for decades with the promise of $$$$$. Now you want to take credit for foreseeing the destruction of college football by voicing your opposition to the CFP as if the CFP somehow birthed NIL and booster payments to athletes when it clearly did not. This thread is about the impacts of and distaste for NIL and the transfer portal. Leave your self-promoting misplaced blowhard take on the CFP at the door - it shows your lack of understanding the issues.

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shut up... I did to ring the bell.... I rang it loud and and I rang it long.

go fight with somebody else. You don't seem to be able to comprehend things beyond one season.

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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The athletes (their lawyers) have ruined college sports for the fans. I'm already soured on basketball. Now football. I guess it was fun while it lasted.

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but, but, but.... why did it have to end just as I was retiring and preparing to spend my leisure years with my Pokes?

I rang the bell a few years back, that going to a playoff would be the end of college football, and the bowl revelry. That the chase for money (by departments and coaches) would be the end, but nobody wanted to hear it.

Well, you've finally got your beloved 12-team playoff ..... at the cost of total destruction of college conferences, leagues, bowls, teams and players... I hope it was worth it to those of you who cheered it on

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Puuuleeeease. You did not ring the bell. If you believe college football for you was ruined by money, you wouldn't be wrong whether it's the increase in money created by the CFP, or the thirst for money by the athletes in the form of NIL. But the impacts on college football by the CFP and the impacts of NIL on athletes desire to chase booster $$$$ are two separate and unconnected issues. Because of O'Bannon, which pre-dated the CFP and the $$$$ it generates, NIL was going to happen regardless of whether there was ever a CFP because boosters have been trying to attract athletes for decades with the promise of $$$$$. Now you want to take credit for foreseeing the destruction of college football by voicing your opposition to the CFP as if the CFP somehow birthed NIL and booster payments to athletes when it clearly did not. This thread is about the impacts of and distaste for NIL and the transfer portal. Leave your self-promoting misplaced blowhard take on the CFP at the door - it shows your lack of understanding the issues.

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shut up... I did to ring the bell.... I rang it loud and and I rang it long.

go fight with somebody else. You don't seem to be able to comprehend things beyond one season.

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You're the one that had to (incorrectly) inject the CFP into the discussion by replying to my original post with some sort of nonsense. Now, when you're clearly wrong, you want me to shut up while doubling down on your self-promoting bs.

Typical

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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I disagree with every point, and the facts are there to support my position, but it's not worth discussing further... you can't put the Jennie back into the bottle.

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So…..

NIL didn't start with OBannon?
OBannon did not predate the CFP?
The portal was created to allow athletes to capture value?
NIL is about the CFP?

I have no idea what world you live in. Well I actually do, but it's not a world open to any other human.

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what part of having a discussion with you is a waste of time, did you not understand?

you're mincing words. you're not listening. The OBannon case DID NOT give him anything. It only PREVENTED the NCAA from benefiting from his "persona".

NIL is the OPPOSITE of what happened with OBannon, where now they ARE ALLOWED to sell their persona.

are they sort of similar, yes, are they the same no (which is why NIL did not exist for another decade).

just quit. You only want to fight, and you're wrong, you're always wrong.

you were doing just fine fighting with Nick and Gary and BigRed, go back and bother them with your silly nonsensical "i gotta be right" arguments.

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From multiple sources……

"NIL can trace its origins to a class-action lawsuit filed in the late 2000s that marks the beginning of the "should college athletes be paid" debate. Former UCLA basketball player Ed O'Bannon argued that college athletes should be compensated for the use of their name and image in video games. Eventually, A judge ordered the NCAA to pay $44.4 million in attorneys' fees and another $1.5 million in costs to lawyers for the plaintiffs in the Ed O'Bannon class-action antitrust lawsuit. This case opened up the doors for more questions and lawsuits around athletes' name, image, and likeness.

The largest of these advancements came in 2019 when California enacted the Fair Pay to Play Act, which allowed athletes to be compensated for promotional opportunities. Other states quickly followed and similar legislation in different regions forced the NCAA to take a look at their stance on NIL."

yeah, but we know people (multiple sources) write BS all the time.

Some people even write that Biden is doing a good job

people could write anything thing and you'd fall for it.

They are mutually exclusive. either one could have happened without the other. and did in this case

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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yeah, but we know people (multiple sources) write BS all the time.

Some people even write that Biden is doing a good job

people could write anything thing and you'd fall for it.

They are mutually exclusive. either one could have happened without the other. and did in this case

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Get educated and Google "history of NIL". Take your pick of ESPN, The Athletic, SI, any number of legal journals, etc, etc. Only the mentally impaired can't see the connection between OBannon and current NIL legislation. Well, now that I say that, I guess that kinda explains it.

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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yeah, but we know people (multiple sources) write BS all the time.

Some people even write that Biden is doing a good job

people could write anything thing and you'd fall for it.

They are mutually exclusive. either one could have happened without the other. and did in this case

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Get educated and Google "history of NIL". Take your pick of ESPN, The Athletic, SI, any number of legal journals, etc, etc. Only the mentally impaired can't see the connection between OBannon and current NIL legislation. Well, now that I say that, I guess that kinda explains it.

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I'm fully educated... stop being indotronated to their BS.

I already explained the difference to you, I'm going to keep tying to educate you on the subject.

THERE IS NO CONNECTION. NONE.

OBannon DID NOT GET NIL. Nobody got NIL.... that case was about the NCAA not benefiting. It was about NOTHING ELSE except the player has a right to themselves.

the NCAA did NOT have to do anything else as a result of that verdict. That was it. Period. The NCAA cannot benefit from the players image, and they still cannot.

Later and separately, also in California, the courts ruled that the players should be able to make money, which was more of an offshoot of the Colorado skiers case about "armature athletes". This was the predecessor to the schools allowing kids to make money on the side.

I can't help it if you choose to read stuff by people that don't understand what they're speaking about

California Court later ruled that kids in California can make money on their image and retain eligibility.

the nuance is not small, and you should be able to discern it if you were of a mind to do so, but alas, you are not.

You just want to bicker and fight.

GO FIGHT WITH BigRed and Gary and Nick the RedStallion, like you usually do.

The issue of Name, Image and Likeness began with OBannon, period. OBannon was the first brick laid in the foundation of current NCAA NIL rules, period. OBannon pre-dated the CFP, period. Anybody that doesn't acknowledge the sequence of events that lead to NIL is only doing so in an attempt to preserve their idiotic argument that NIL is an outgrowth of the CFP.

And since you won't accept the opinion of a gozillion experts, maybe you'll accept the facts from lexisnexis:


Law School Case Brief
O'Bannon v. NCAA - 802 F.3d 1049 (9th Cir. 2015)
RULE:

Courts follow the three-step framework of the antitrust Rule of Reason. The plaintiff bears the initial burden of showing that the restraint produces significant anticompetitive effects within a relevant market. If the plaintiff meets this burden, the defendant must come forward with evidence of the restraint's pro-competitive effects. The plaintiff must then show that any legitimate objectives can be achieved in a substantially less restrictive manner.

FACTS:

For more than a century, the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) prescribed rules governing the eligibility of athletes at its more than 1,000 member colleges and universities. Those rules prohibit student-athletes from being paid for the use of their names, images, and likenesses (NILs). In 2008, Ed O'Bannon, a former All-American basketball player, was depicted in a college basketball video game produced by Electronic Arts (EA), a software company that produced video games based on college football and men's basketball from the late 1990s until around 2013. O'Bannon had never consented to the use of his likeness in the video game, and he had not been compensated for it. In 2009, O'Bannon sued the NCAA and the Collegiate Licensing Company (CLC), the entity which licenses the trademarks of the NCAA and a number of its member schools for commercial use, in federal court. According to O'Bannon, the NCAA's amateurism rules, insofar as they prevented student-athletes from being compensated for the use of their NILs, were an illegal restraint of trade under Section 1 of the Sherman Act, 15 U.S.C. 1. Around the same time, Sam Keller, the former starting quarterback for the Arizona State University and University of Nebraska football teams, separately brought suit against the NCAA, CLC, and EA. Keller alleged that EA had impermissibly used student-athletes' NILs in its video games and that the NCAA and CLC had wrongfully turned a blind eye to EA's misappropriation of these NILs. After a bench trial, the district court concluded that the NCAA's compensation rules were an unlawful restraint of trade. It then enjoined the NCAA from prohibiting its member schools from giving student-athletes scholarships up to the full cost of attendance at their respective schools and up to $5,000 per year in deferred compensation, to be held in trust for student-athletes until after they leave college.

ISSUE:

Were the NCAA's compensation rules subject to the antitrust laws, and, if so, were they an unlawful restraint of trade?

ANSWER:
Yes.
CONCLUSION:

The Court held that NCAA rules barring compensation to student-athletes for the use of their names, images, and likenesses were subject to antitrust laws since the amateurism rules were not categorically valid, involved commercial activity in which the student-athletes and the users anticipated economic gain, and had a significant anticompetitive effect on the college education market. According to the Court, while the compensation rules had pro-competitive effects in integrating academics with athletics and promoting amateurism, and raising the cap on compensation to the full amount of the costs of attending college was a substantially less restrictive alternative means of accomplishing the pro-competitive purposes, allowing the student-athletes to receive deferred compensation untethered to educational expenses was not an appropriate alternative since it would defeat the student-athletes' status as amateurs.

dude..

that's what I said.

sorry you don't understand it

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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dude..

that's what I said.

sorry you don't understand it

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Then we agree. NIL does not exist as a result of the adaptation of the CFP, because NIL had its beginnings long before the CFP existed.

We could have avoided half this thread if you'd have just refrained from initially disputing that reality in the beginning.

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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dude..

that's what I said.

sorry you don't understand it

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Then we agree. NIL does not exist as a result of the adaptation of the CFP, because NIL had its beginning long before the CFP existed.

We could have avoided half this thread if you'd have just refrained from initially disputing that reality in the beginning..

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no... damn you're hopeless. I never said that, and that is not the point I was making. You try to change every discussion into what you want it to be.... but it just doesn't work that way.

it's not about NIL, like I said, it's about amateurism and the lust for money. The CFP was the latest (and most egregious) money grab.

The CFP accelerated the NCAA's lust for money, and at that same time made it clear that the kids were not armatures but were exploited representatives. They weren't taking advantage of their NIL to stop amateurism, NIL was only ancillary to the dispute (one source of potential payment) Subsequent court rulings upheld that position, that the NCAA could not prevent the players from making money under the guise of amateurism.

NIL is only a part of that recent ruling, there is also the portion about allowing the schools to make direct payment to the kids, which is separate from NIL. (but in the same ruling - about the NCAA money grab essentially using slave labor.

Go fight with your new sooner buddies

The following statement is false. Completely false.

"If the Leagues would not have gotten so greedy, then the kids would not have been looking for their cut.".

I have proven, with facts, athletes are chasing money because of NIL, not the CFP. It's happening in all sports, not just football. Your argument is silly, and you certainly did not ring a bell. What a joke.

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The following statement is false. Completely false.

"If the Leagues would not have gotten so greedy, then the kids would not have been looking for their cut.".

I have proven, with facts, athletes are chasing money because of NIL, not the CFP. It's happening in all sports, not just football. Your argument is silly, and you certainly did not ring a bell. What a joke.

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IT IS TRUE, it is completely true. I have proven it over and over and over.

The "athletes" did NOT chase money for a full freaking decade.... sorry to blow your mind pal.

The athletes are chasing money because the court ruled that the NCAA cannot use the old armature status to keep them from earning money... REGARDLESS of NIL.

Teams can pay the players, and that has nothing to do with NIL.

The CFP was just the last straw, or the rich get richer on the backs of the kids.

there are posts and threads of me ringing the bell, and you can find them if you cared to look. It is DOCUMENTED.

go fight with your goon friends.

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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The following statement is false. Completely false.

"If the Leagues would not have gotten so greedy, then the kids would not have been looking for their cut.".

I have proven, with facts, athletes are chasing money because of NIL, not the CFP. It's happening in all sports, not just football. Your argument is silly, and you certainly did not ring a bell. What a joke.

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IT IS TRUE, it is completely true. I have proven it over and over and over.

The "athletes" did NOT chase money for a full freaking decade.... sorry to blow your mind pal.

The athletes are chasing money because the court ruled that the NCAA cannot use the old armature status to keep them from earning money... REGARDLESS of NIL.

Teams can pay the players, and that has nothing to do with NIL.

The CFP was just the last straw, or the rich get richer on the backs of the kids.

there are posts and threads of me ringing the bell, and you can find them if you cared to look. It is DOCUMENTED.

go fight with your goon friends.

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I understand now. All the softballers, golfers, baseballers, basketballers, wrestlers, etc… are chasing CFP generated NIL $$$. You're. friggin brilliant!!!

You've certainly cornered the market on dunce.

Would you guys just knock it off? This started as a great subject then got derailed into a middle-school level spat that all of the rest of us can see will never find common ground. But we keep checking back to see if the newest post has put the subject back on track…only to read a continuation of a hijacked thread. I'm about as old as any of you, but damn…the Grumpy Old Man show is certainly past it's prime

Check.

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Would you guys just knock it off? This started as a great subject then got derailed into a middle-school level spat that all of the rest of us can see will never find common ground. But we keep checking back to see if the newest post has put the subject back on track…only to read a continuation of a hijacked thread. I'm about as old as any of you, but damn…the Grumpy Old Man show is certainly past it's prime

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you know what to do about it.

every single out of control thread in this forum has his moniker fully entrenched in the nonsense.

he stated several times that is his purpose on this forum.

you know what to do about it. I've repeatedly asked him to leave me alone

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you know what to do about it. I've repeatedly asked him to leave me alone

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Yes I do and if it happens for one, it happens for two - it's only being stated once, not repeatedly.

When you guys comment on the subject, you're good. You give great input and add to the conversations. I think we all value the good opinions, even when we disagree. But when disagreement breaks down into "you're an idiot"..."no, YOU'RE an idiot"..."no, here's proof YOU'RE the idiot"..."but here's proof that you're a BIGGER idiot".... because neither is willing to simply disagree or both feel compelled to have the last word, and each trying to prove to the other who's the bigger idiot - neither looks very smart. MY desire is for every poster on Pokes Report to be brilliant. Or at least, respectful of other opinions.

'Nuff said (actually more than 'nuff). Let's move on.

This guy tweeted his sources telling him Sanders is asking or reaching out to Gundy about returning for his final year now:

#Sources are telling me Spencer Sanders could be returning to #OKState

He has reached back out to the program, per #source https://t.co/pBRjGoGsNv

— Peter Dancer (@PeterDancer21) January 2, 2023

If true, it will be interesting how Gundy approaches the situation. I understand heretofore, when a player tells the coaching staff they want to be put in the portal, the player is basically told "good luck, no turning back". Thought being - if a player doesn't want to be here, we don't want him.

Will Gundy make an exception?

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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If true, it will be interesting how Gundy approaches the situation. I understand heretofore, when a player tells the coaching staff they want to be put in the portal, the player is basically told "good luck, no turning back". Thought being - if a player doesn't want to be here, we don't want him.

Will Gundy make an exception?

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if Gundy interviewed with Tennessee did he not want to be here, should we have taken him back?

Please show us where anybody at OSU ever said "no turning back". That cannot be true.

The fact is that they do not have to be offered their scholarship back.

If he askes to come back, then that shows that HE DOES WANT TO BE HERE, so no exception needed.

He's a freaking grad transfer with one season remaining, it's not like he's got 3 years of eligibility left and he might threaten to leave again.

If the kid wants to come back, take him. No exceptions. No questions asked.

He tested the waters and didn't like the Tennessee offer... wait, that was Coach Gundy

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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If true, it will be interesting how Gundy approaches the situation. I understand heretofore, when a player tells the coaching staff they want to be put in the portal, the player is basically told "good luck, no turning back". Thought being - if a player doesn't want to be here, we don't want him.

Will Gundy make an exception?

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if Gundy interviewed with Tennessee did he not want to be here, should we have taken him back?

Please show us where anybody at OSU ever said "no turning back". That cannot be true.

The fact is that they do not have to be offered their scholarship back.

If he askes to come back, then that shows that HE DOES WANT TO BE HERE, so no exception needed.

He's a freaking grad transfer with one season remaining, it's not like he's got 3 years of eligibility left and he might threaten to leave again.

If the kid wants to come back, take him. No exceptions. No questions asked.

He tested the waters and didn't like the Tennessee offer... wait, that was Coach Gundy

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Look at it any way you want, don't care.

I'm just reiterating what Gundy is on record saying (reportedly) and wondering how he would approach this situation.

Apparently others are claiming Peter Dancer is a fraudulent Twitter account.

About 6 months ago, same twitter account had us joining the SEC "within days". Its not reliable

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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Look at it any way you want, don't care.

I'm just reiterating what Gundy is on record saying (reportedly) and wondering how he would approach this situation.

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I know what you are saying, and I'm saying it's not true, and I care about truth.

you're going to have to dig up that "report", reportedly.

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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Look at it any way you want, don't care.

I'm just reiterating what Gundy is on record saying (reportedly) and wondering how he would approach this situation.

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I know what you are saying, and I'm saying it's not true, and I care about truth.

you're going to have to dig up that "report", reportedly.

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Replays of RAs radio show aren't available. Others on here can back me up if they choose to do so.

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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Look at it any way you want, don't care.

I'm just reiterating what Gundy is on record saying (reportedly) and wondering how he would approach this situation.

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I know what you are saying, and I'm saying it's not true, and I care about truth.

you're going to have to dig up that "report", reportedly.

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Replays of RAs radio show aren't available. Others on here can back me up if they choose to do so.

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yeah, that's what I thought..... we need the QUOTE, to avoid lost in translation or paraphrasing.

You're saying he only told this to RA in private, and nobody else "reported" it.... right?

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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Look at it any way you want, don't care.

I'm just reiterating what Gundy is on record saying (reportedly) and wondering how he would approach this situation.

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I know what you are saying, and I'm saying it's not true, and I care about truth.

you're going to have to dig up that "report", reportedly.

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Replays of RAs radio show aren't available. Others on here can back me up if they choose to do so.

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yeah, that's what I thought..... we need the QUOTE, to avoid lost in translation or paraphrasing.

You're saying he only told this to RA in private, and nobody else "reported" it.... right?

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No. I'm saying RA said on his radio show that Gundy's approach to players entering the portal is "if a player doesn't want to be here, we don't want them". This is really simple, and really not that hard to believe even if you personally didn't hear it. Was that a direct Gundy quote, or the essence of what Gundy has communicated to RA when discussing the portal? Don't know, don't care. It is what it is.