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TCU Aftermath: The Blame Game

December 6, 2020
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FORT WORTH, Texas – Oh, its’ time for the blame game. Whenever a football season hits it’s critical mass, the point where a goal is achieved or the goal or goals are history, then here comes the blame game. Before going very deep into the blame game, which is somewhat of a meaningless experience that is primarily for fans and doesn’t go very far into solving the reasons a season goes up in flames or the reason for glory and happiness, it is worth mentioning the most critical solution to the Cowboys problem of not closing out and winning games they aren’t far off from doing.

This upcoming 2021 recruiting class that will sign in a little over a week on Dec. 16 is critical for solving the issues of 2020. A team that discovers through injuries and attrition, such as the loss of Bryce Bray and Jacob Farrell when they were excused from the team in preseason,  they don’t have enough depth faces the task of getting it through recruiting.

When the offense changes so dramatically when Tylan Wallace is out of the game, then you need some additional big play receiving threats. Those look to be coming in the next class with Bryson and Blaine Green from Allen, Texas. They combined for 14 receptions, 288-yards, and four touchdowns in front of our Marshall Levenson the other night in a big win over Braswell.

When you lose corner Rodarius Williams and safety Tre Sterling, while still playing, but ailing safety Kolby Harvell-Peel battles then you need more reserve players and depth. It is coming with a bundle of stout secondary prospects in the class including the likes of Ty Williams, Makale Smith, Cam Smith, Ray Guy, and the latest pledge from Friday in Lyrik Rawls. There is also a top flight defensive tackle in Thomas’ Aden Kelley and another member of the Santa Fe connection in edge defender Collin Oliver.

That is how you fix problems. You recruit and finger pointing doesn’t get it done. However, fans can’t recruit and all they have is the blame game.

There was a good share of it going around after the game on Saturday with plenty of players and coaches pointing the finger at themselves.

Head coach Mike Gundy started off praising his players’ efforts. He was right. I watched the video back again on Sunday and there was no lack of effort in any area. The kickers (Ben Freehill on extra point and Brady Pohl on two field goals) didn’t miss on purpose. If anything Pohl was trying to hard when he snap hooked the second miss. The offensive line was blocking as best they could even when facing a loaded box in the second half. The receivers were trying to make plays. The defense got beat by some of TCU’s speed, but the effort to force turnovers and to try to make plays was there.

The best example was quarterback Spencer Sanders. You may not like his skill set or all of his decisions, but his teammates will fight to the end for him. How could you not when he goes flying and giving up his body to try to make plays and extra yards.

Ultimately, the blame in college football goes back to the coaching staff and the head coach. They are the ones that recruit the players, develop the players, devise the game plans and make the in-game decisions that you have to feel are the major influence for the decisions that player’s make on the field.

You would like to think they make all the right ones. For teams that win the majority of their games, they do. It is easy for all of us to second guess. I had been wondering how long it would take to see Brennan Presley return kicks. Saturday at TCU he did and averaged 32.5-yards a return on a pair of opportunities.

The tough ones are how do you attack a stout defense with an offensive line that is still young, in some cases beat up, and looking for confidence. Not easy. How do you stop a hot quarterback with speedy receivers in the second half without a shut-down corner and one of your best safeties. Again, not easy.

Mike Gundy was honest after the 29-22 loss that dropped the Cowboys to 6-3 on the season, a season that before it all started and the attrition mounted was thought to be a potential Big 12 championship season. That is gone.

“It was a pretty rare game when you score on defense and you get that many turnovers to not be able to find a way to win,” Gundy said of the loss to the Horned Frogs. “We just couldn’t muster up much offensively. We couldn’t get much stability.”

The running game was good the first half, but tough sledding the second after TCU loaded the box with purple defenders.

“I thought he got downhill, I thought he made some cuts,” Gundy said of Dezmon Jackson. “I know he competed so I felt good about him. We averaged over four yards a carry. We would like to be 4.5 (yards per carry) but I’m pleased with what he’s bringing to the table.”

Dezmon Jackson, who has been the best thing for this team the past two weeks was accountable.

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Dezmon Jackson had to work hard for what he got against TCU.

“I give credit to TCU’s defense as they adjusted and loaded the box and made it difficult for us to run it,” Jackson explained. “Those guys, I give them credit because they have a really nice defense.”

“We didn’t run the ball efficiently in the second half,” said offensive coordinator Kasey Dunn. “We have a lot of things that we create off the run game, and we just weren’t able to do it. When Tylan’s not out there, the safeties can load the box then. At the end of the day, the shots down the field we’re the big thing. We hit ours and we win, they hit theirs we win. Turnovers aside, we didn’t hit enough chuck plays and they did.”

Dunn has been open about the struggle to call plays and find the right combinations for an offense that has lots of offensive line challenges.

Defensive coordinator Jim Knowles, a fan favorite because of defensive success early in the season, a target in recent weeks because of big plays allowed, took his sword and fell on it saying he felt bad for his players because they played so hard and he didn’t call the right defensive plays.

Gundy lamented on the defensive side that while his defense was fighting and striping the ball and getting turnovers, they were allowing again, way too many big plays. Most of those big plays coming in the second half.

“You’ve gotta stop the big plays,” defensive end Brock Martin said. “Texas Tech made them last week, but we won the game. At the end of the day, you have to stop the big plays. They made them.  Ahh, that’s it man.”

Yes, that’s it. The Blame Game is a terrible game to get into that doesn’t help much and can hurt much more and make things worse. The better use of time is for coaches to recruit. For fans it might be to study up on the recruiting class. It should make you feel better than heaping up more blame.

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TCU Aftermath: The Blame Game

7,124 Views | 16 Replies | Last: 4 yr ago by TUSKAPOKE
CaliforniaCowboy
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oh the irony, Robert. LOL. journalistic comedy.

Blame the depth, and offer us the "eternal solution".... wait till next year.

The solution is obvious.... get Illingworth ready now. Use these next games to get him more reps.

It really is that simple. Remember we were supposed to be "loaded" at WR with all we had, and the new transfers coming in and the redshirts.... loaded... deep... at WR... remember?

The problem was that we didn't have somebody in there that could distributie the ball around.

I think most of us have had enough of the "just wait till next year" mantra.
LS1Z28
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"Small-minded people blame others. Average people blame themselves. The wise see all blame as foolishness"
- Epictetus

I'm not really interested in assigning blame. I'm interested in identifying the problem so that we can find a way to fix it. I think the best way to do that is to compare the program now to where it was during the pinnacle of Coach Gundy's career in 2011.

2011
1. We were recruiting at a higher level. From 2006 to 2014 our average class ranking was 28th in the country.
2. We had a cutting edge offensive system that would spread defenses out and utilize the entire field.
3. We had an elite offensive coordinator.
4. We had an elite quarterback.
5. We had young & hungry position coaches that wanted to advance their careers.

2020
1. Our recruiting has dropped off. From 2015 to 2020, our average class ranking has been 39th in the country. Our current class ranks 42nd.
2. Our offense has slowly regressed back towards where we were under Fedora with tighter formations and simpler playcalling. It seems like we rarely utilize the middle of the field and the intermediate passing game.
3. We don't have an elite offensive coordinator.
4. We don't have elite quarterback play.
5. Coach Gundy said that he was going to start hiring coaches for continuity back in 2013 when he hired Coach Yurcich. We've had decent continuity, but our coaching staff as a whole probably isn't as talented as it was back then.

Coach Gundy needs to find the same fire & passion he had when he was younger. He needs go back to playing the CEO role by hiring an elite OC and take a hands off approach to our offense. He needs to evaluate his position coaches and replace any that can't consistently win recruiting battles against non-blue blood programs. He has to stop being so conservative and start moving forward aggressively.

Sorry for the rant. I just needed to vent after the past few games. Go Pokes!
CaliforniaCowboy
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so... you blame it on coaches? Check.

TUSKAPOKE
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During my lifetime, 60+ years, we have two football conference championships. My family has three generations of OSU graduates and I was born in Stillwater. We have contributed financially and with butts in the seats for decades. The improvement in facilities was to make us more competitive in recruiting that would lead to better results on the field. We have good coaches, right? So, what is missing? Tradition? Recruiting? Coaching? Something is not getting done. This is the "Golden Age" of OSU football but to continue to settle for disappointment is old. No excuses are acceptable any longer. Iowa State has replaced us as the challenger to Zero U and Shorthorn blue bloods. Not sure I have answers to what it will take. I just know I had a nice Sunday and have put this in the right perspective with things going on today. It is entertainment, much of the time with mediocre results, and sometimes fun with an unexpected win. Those are few and far between though. My expectations for anything much more than that are gone. For many in the fan base with similar thoughts, that is not positive. Thanks for the therapy session.
TPT10
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Total respect for you RA. As others have said same story every year. Same stuff from Gundy and same story here. Its time for a change for everyone. Gundy needs a break from us and we need a break from him. Why did OU get rid of Bob Stoops? He couldn't win the playoff and they needed a refresh.Why do we want Gundy gone he can't get to the big 12 championship game and the program needs a refresh. Id go after Mark Stoops, Shaw from Stanford, Josh Heupel, Monken (doubt he'd take it), Luke Fickell, Billy Napier (he said no to South Carolina). Im unhappy and think everyone else is tired of 3-4 loss seasons. I say 4 because still might lose to Baylor. Id rather try for something better than just keep what we got for fear of being worse.
Bovine Lad
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We entered the season with the Nations leading Running Back from last season, the Nations leading Receiver in 2018, the Nations highest rated Offensive Tackle (Pro Football Focus), a QB that was the Big 12 Coaches pick for Offensive Freshman of the Year last season and who was named Dave Campbell's Mr. Texas Football and who was also tabbed as the Gatorade Offensive Player of the year.

We were told that Langston Anderson would be the 8th coming in the long Orange line of great Cowboy Receivers. Where was he when Tylan went down? He's had zero catches on the season.

Tay Martin - 6 Receptions in 6 Games
Dee Anderson - 1 catch
Brendon Presley - 1 Reception

In the preseason, kick 2 projected OL Starters off the team for political China-virus incorrectness at the same time that you're lauding and embracing divisive elements subverting the entire team with socialistic identity politics (threatening to walk off the team and take as many like skin-colored supporters as possible with him).

Bottom line: even with Hubbard, Brown, and Jackson kind of depth at Running Back the Offense sucks which has subsequently allowed the Defense to be beaten down.

From prohibitive favorite to win the Conference Crown to not even being in the running for it before the end of the PC shortened season.

Blameless?

Gundy's new Recruits will be able to do what Chuba Hubbard, Tevin Jenkins, CJ Moore, Grayson Boomer, Deondrick Glass, and all of the other old Recruits were not able to do? Just wait until next year? Yet again for the umpteenth time?
Bovine Lad
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LS1Z28 said:

2011
1. We were recruiting at a higher level. From 2006 to 2014 our average class ranking was 28th in the country.

2020
1. Our recruiting has dropped off. From 2015 to 2020, our average class ranking has been 39th in the country. Our current class ranks 42nd.

If we could only recruit Recruiting Stars like Cincinnati and BYU do? Or more like Indiana, Costal Carolina, and Liberty do?
TUSKAPOKE
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LS1Z28 said:

2011
1. We were recruiting at a higher level. From 2006 to 2014 our average class ranking was 28th in the country.

2020
1. Our recruiting has dropped off. From 2015 to 2020, our average class ranking has been 39th in the country. Our current class ranks 42nd.
Bovine Lad said:

If we could only recruit Recruiting Stars like Cincinnati and BYU do? Or more like Indiana, Costal Carolina, and Liberty do?
Grouch....is that you?
Bovine Lad
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Back in the day, the Coaches used to blame the facilities and the fans that had relegated them to those "rust bowl" facilities for their Football failures.

In this season that held so much promise at the onset more so than during any other, with a twist of irony, it seems befitting that the one fan that was the most responsible for vanquishing that excuse was honored with a statue in front of the luxurious stadium that bears his name.

16 Years and well over a half billion dollars in whatever-you-want gifting later: guess it wasn't so much that "rust bowl" and we lame fans to blame after all.
Bovine Lad
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Just imagine what this season would have been like if Hubbard had of walked off or been booted off the team back in June...
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Bovine Lad said:

If we could only recruit Recruiting Stars like Cincinnati and BYU do? Or more like Indiana, Costal Carolina, and Liberty do?
TUSKAPOKE said:
Grouch....is that you?
I hope so... these posts are very thought provoking.... what are your thoughts on the "SUBJECT"?
CaliforniaCowboy
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Bovine Lad said:

Just imagine what this season would have been like if Hubbard had of walked off or been booted off the team back in June...
your statement seems to imply that others might not have "walked off" with him.

I imagine the season would have been even worse with playing with a potentially large fraction of the team missing.

on the other hand, with our soft politically "correct" administration, it likely would have accelerated the replacement of the HC. Many of our thin skinned fans also support the "political correctness", as long as the politics continue to favor their personal biases. That is the problem with political correctness.... it is purely political, and zero percent "correct".

I would have preferred the HC make a stand to keep the social politics out of our Athletic Department... but then, I can't really imagine what our season would have been like.
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Bovine Lad said:

Just imagine what this season would have been like if Hubbard had of walked off or been booted off the team back in June...
Incognito Grouch beating a dead Bullet! How did November go for you? Are you surviving? Are you wearing a mask or are 280,000 dead Americans a hoax? The football season would not have been much different. Injuries have hurt a bunch. There have been coaching mistakes. GO POKES!!!
CaliforniaCowboy
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Bovine Lad said:

Just imagine what this season would have been like if Hubbard had of walked off or been booted off the team back in June...
TUSKAPOKE said:
Incognito Grouch beating a dead Bullet! How did November go for you? Are you surviving? Are you wearing a mask or are 280,000 dead Americans a hoax? The football season would not have been much different. Injuries have hurt a bunch. There have been coaching mistakes. GO POKES!!!
just curious why you're trying to pick a fight with another poster... can't we have one message board where people don't attack the other posters?

Please?

Thanks for your consideration.
LS1Z28
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LS1Z28 said:

2011
1. We were recruiting at a higher level. From 2006 to 2014 our average class ranking was 28th in the country.

2020
1. Our recruiting has dropped off. From 2015 to 2020, our average class ranking has been 39th in the country. Our current class ranks 42nd.
Bovine Lad said:

If we could only recruit Recruiting Stars like Cincinnati and BYU do? Or more like Indiana, Costal Carolina, and Liberty do?
How many of those programs would beat Oklahoma?
How many of those programs would win the Big 12 conference championship?
How many of those programs would legitimately compete for a national championship?

Here's an interesting trivia question: How many teams have won a national championship in the past 20 years without signing a top 10 recruiting class in the 4 years prior? The answer is zero. In fact, most national championship programs have had top 5 classes in the 4 years prior. Recruiting class rankings are far from an exact science, but they tend to be a decent predictor of how high the ceiling is for a program. We aren't going to go further than where we've been in the past without finding a way to recruit at a high level.

We'll never recruit like a blue-blood program in football, but that doesn't mean we can't sign top 25 classes. Men's basketball, baseball, wrestling, & golf have all signed top 10 classes over the past decade. There's no excuse for our football program to sign classes in the upper 30's & Lower 40's after having 15 straight years of success.

BTW, I'm a big fan of Luke Fickell. He's done an excellent job at Cincinnati. They're recruiting at about the same level as us now. That's excellent for a G5 program. I don't know when or how Coach Gundy will exit the program, but he would be on my short list to replace him whenever that does happens.
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TUSKAPOKE said:
Incognito Grouch beating a dead Bullet! How did November go for you? Are you surviving? Are you wearing a mask or are 280,000 dead Americans a hoax? The football season would not have been much different. Injuries have hurt a bunch. There have been coaching mistakes. GO POKES!!!
CaliforniaCowboy said:
just curious why you're trying to pick a fight with another poster... can't we have one message board where people don't attack the other posters?

Please?

Thanks for your consideration.
I agree and one without political BS too about supporting OAN....degrading BLM....defunding the police...right wing ideology involving everything with OSU athletics.....etc.!!! If it is posted, it would seem it is open for counter views or agreement. I did contribute to the discussion about the TCU fiasco. I also agreed some with BL on the football season.... just not politics. Thanks for your contribution. I follow your every post. GO POKES!!!
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