Webb's Official Visit Highlights the Iowa State Weekend Recruiting

CowboyRed said:

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It's your right. Right or wrong. I'm just trying to prevent fighting.

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I'm not fighting, I am presenting facts. It's called debate. Point / counter point

and I will counter any wild allegations that you throw at our program.

To each there own.

CowboyRed said:

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To each there own.

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I'm not interested in each or their own, or in you. I only talk about the topics. Couldn't care one bit what you or any other poster does, so long as it is not including me personally in their comments.

none of this has anything to do with each or their own... it should always be about the team/sport/plays/coach/outcome

We all have our own prerogative

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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gary121853 said:

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At what point do Cowboy faithful(s) accept the fact that FB recruiting under current regime will never be where it should be.... undeniably, Gundy's overall #'s speak for themselves .... however, undeniably, Aranda wins B12 in 2nd year .... Dykes is in B12 Championship game 1st year ..... ummm?

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You're never gonna get it.
The difference between #15 and #30 is minuscule, especially if and when only one or two higher rated recruits don't pan out which happens on every team. The real value of a coaching staff is more appropriately focused on whether they turn 3 stars into 4 stars (see Gundy) or 4 stars into 2 or 3 stars (see aTm or UT). Now with NIL, how many 4 and 5 stars are more focused on $$$ than committing to the team, learning and improving (see aTm and UT).

Gundy is clearly focused on guys that fit, that want to play, that are team guys than he's focused on some random recruiting guy or gal assigning number grades to HS athletes.

Sorry .... i completely get it and always have.... regardless how miniscule the differences are between #15-30 OR differences in rating methodologies.... rarely, if ever, do #'s NOT revel the truth... particularly over a period of time! The simple fact is..... OSU should be recruiting consistently at the 15-20 range and those #'s dont lie related to winning championship .... Indeed, you are correct regarding Gundy's focus/strategy to find guys that 'FIT' .... that is very important ... undisputed....but, that requirement is NOT incompatible with recruiting at a higher level than he does ....That point is what YOU do not get!
Regardless, which side of the argument you fall on .... those recruits that 'FIT'? They are NOT getting developed to deliver championships ...so something's broken period! What don't You get about that?

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Joe Khatib said:

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gary121853 said:

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At what point do Cowboy faithful(s) accept the fact that FB recruiting under current regime will never be where it should be.... undeniably, Gundy's overall #'s speak for themselves .... however, undeniably, Aranda wins B12 in 2nd year .... Dykes is in B12 Championship game 1st year ..... ummm?

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Ummm, Aranda won with Rhule recruits and talent and Dykesvis winning with Patterson recruits and talent, just like Bob Stoops won a NC in his second year with mostly John Blake recruits and talent! Do you evenTHINK or REREAD your comments before you hit post!!!

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For the love of everything, does it matter WHO's recruits they were .... ? That is even MORE an indictment that FB recruiting is NOT delivering what is needed to win Championships! Starting with OL talent for over a decade. Do YOU think before you post?

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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gary121853 said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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gary121853 said:

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At what point do Cowboy faithful(s) accept the fact that FB recruiting under current regime will never be where it should be.... undeniably, Gundy's overall #'s speak for themselves .... however, undeniably, Aranda wins B12 in 2nd year .... Dykes is in B12 Championship game 1st year ..... ummm?

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humor me.... what were their team's recruiting classes ranked?

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Cursory review over last decade (+) reveals across various recruiting services (w/different methodologies for rankings etc) OSU is always mid-level in B12 etc ... the 'real' issue is that OSU should always clearly be a top 15-20 recruiting program ... period... they are not and never have been ... in B12 they should be top 3 with an annual class of 50% (+/-) 4 star players ...

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hmmm.... I meant, the BU and TCU class ranks that you were comparing us too and giving Aranda and Dykes credit for

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If you look at just the #'s you might conclude NOT a big difference between BU-TCU-OSU recruiting results ...etc... then what is it? Are BU-TCU etc developing their recruits better or quicker?

CowboyRed said:

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I think he isn't good at it I'll say for sure. We offer and recruit a lot of high ranked kids but we miss 99 percent of the time. So intentionally no. I'm just going with what Gary was pointing out tho. What's the difference in these other programs having greater success? If it's injuries then I'd again point to not recruiting and developing better depth

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That is the real point to me! I dont presume to know the answer and Im sure the recruiting topic has been covered (internally) from every possible angle already. What is frustrating is that 'answers' are not being found. Just like zero answers for the OL debacle going on for over a decade. At this point, I can only conclude that the 'other' B12 programs are doing a better job 'evaluating & developing' their 3* recruits and getting them on field 'quicker' before they become disenchanted and transfer ....

I'll ride with you Gary

gary121853 said:

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CowboyRed said:

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I think he isn't good at it I'll say for sure. We offer and recruit a lot of high ranked kids but we miss 99 percent of the time. So intentionally no. I'm just going with what Gary was pointing out tho. What's the difference in these other programs having greater success? If it's injuries then I'd again point to not recruiting and developing better depth

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That is the real point to me! I dont presume to know the answer and Im sure the recruiting topic has been covered (internally) from every possible angle already. What is frustrating is that 'answers' are not being found. Just like zero answers for the OL debacle going on for over a decade. At this point, I can only conclude that the 'other' B12 programs are doing a better job 'evaluating & developing' their 3* recruits and getting them on field 'quicker' before they become disenchanted and transfer ....

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Let's pretend the "answer" is - there are higher ranked recruits that would sign with OSU if Gundy would just ask. What would you propose to get those recruits?

Then answer this question. What good is an answer if you can't implement it?

gary121853 said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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gary121853 said:

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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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gary121853 said:

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At what point do Cowboy faithful(s) accept the fact that FB recruiting under current regime will never be where it should be.... undeniably, Gundy's overall #'s speak for themselves .... however, undeniably, Aranda wins B12 in 2nd year .... Dykes is in B12 Championship game 1st year ..... ummm?

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humor me.... what were their team's recruiting classes ranked?

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Cursory review over last decade (+) reveals across various recruiting services (w/different methodologies for rankings etc) OSU is always mid-level in B12 etc ... the 'real' issue is that OSU should always clearly be a top 15-20 recruiting program ... period... they are not and never have been ... in B12 they should be top 3 with an annual class of 50% (+/-) 4 star players ...

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hmmm.... I meant, the BU and TCU class ranks that you were comparing us too and giving Aranda and Dykes credit for

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If you look at just the #'s you might conclude NOT a big difference between BU-TCU-OSU recruiting results ...etc... then what is it? Are BU-TCU etc developing their recruits better or quicker?

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no... "what it is"... is you're looking for something that only one team can get annually, which takes many factors including health, retention, talent, scheme, effort/motivation, teamwork/execution, and luck. A team must have all of those to capture the highest honor.

For OSU, we've done it recently, (when we hadn't done it previously in half a century), and we've been on the cusp of doing it (making conf champ game) many times recently. We just haven't been able to hit on all the conditions every year.

last year affected this year because we failed at retention, and at least 5 of our players are starting or contributing significantly on other P5 teams like Ohio State, LSU, Texas Tech, and other starting or playing significant minutes at San Diego State and Nevada (there may be others as well, I didn't try to compile a complete list). Plus added on to that we've had an unfortunate and practically unprecedented string of injuries, and yet, here we are 10 games into the season and not yet eliminated from the conf champ game. (where as, past seasons we were fighting to the last game just to be bowl eligible, or worse, were already eliminated from bowl consideration).

I will never understand why some fans get so emotionally attached to kids playing a game.