South Carolina Parts With Frank Martin; What Does That Mean for OSU and Mike Boynton

This is all premature, but do we even want someone here if it turns out their heart is elsewhere?

Having such a high buy out clause while paying a low salary would appear unjustified from labor salary rules. My guess is this would not be validated from legal standards and a more justified buy out settlement would be lowered by the courts. Even though Ford had a high buyout, OSU settled for lower payment. If Boynton left SC probably would negotiate a buyout half of the 9.5 million.

it means dump Boynton NOW and hire Martin and Webber!!!!


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CaliforniaCowboy said:

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it means dump Boynton NOW and hire Martin and Webber!!!!


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Another botched Holder contract! Boynton was the lowest paid coach in Big 12 and his new contract was back loaded with small raise the first year and yearly raises up until seven years. Going through this year where we had NCAA penalties and he has stuck it out and stayed at OSU, his contract needs to be revised quickly or he's gone to SC or LSU where 10 million ain't nuthin. Ridiculous having a seven or ten year contract as rarely do people stay in one job that long anymore.

I don't understand why some you guys are quick to dump em he's an awesome coach seems to love ok state ,and is it bad if he loves a school he attended..smh c'mon now

1slowpoke said:

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Having such a high buy out clause while paying a low salary would appear unjustified from labor salary rules. My guess is this would not be validated from legal standards and a more justified buy out settlement would be lowered by the courts. Even though Ford had a high buyout, OSU settled for lower payment. If Boynton left SC probably would negotiate a buyout half of the 9.5 million.

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You're talking out your a$$, reading something on the internet or googling it, doesn't make you a lawyer in most cases it actually just misleads you into believing you are.

Maybe they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Everyone has a right to their opinion, so spare the attacks

missouripoke said:

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Maybe they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Everyone has a right to their opinion, so spare the attacks

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An opinion is great, spouting legalese goes beyond an opinion.

missouripoke said:

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Maybe they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Everyone has a right to their opinion, so spare the attacks

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There's opinions, and there's outright lunacy.

We are only paying him 2.1 million in his fifth year. Such a high buyout would be justified if we were paying him 6 to 10 million. Most of these coaches have specific release from the contract similar to Lou Holze specifying if ND ever offered him a contract he could leave. Boynton could have specified similar exemption such if SC ever offered him a contract he could leave. To me it is exploitation to strangle a coach with such a high buyout and a long contract.

I don't want Boynton to leave but if offered a better contract who would not consider the offer. OSU needs to rewrite his contract in line with other head coaches in the Big 12 so he won't consider leaving and have it a three year contract instead of a 7-10 year contract.

He was only making one million until his contract was changed last year but he is still at the bottom of the Big 12. Moser got a six year contract at 2.8 million in his first year at OU. Boynton should be in the middle range of Big 12 HC in the 3-4 million range per year with a revolving 3-5 year contract.

There's always an exception for a coach's alma mater. That's a once in a lifetime gig.

MB says all the right things. People like that he attends womens softball games and shows up at FB game tailgates etc. But if he wants to leave I'm not gonna try to get him to stay. He's not a good coach. Can we do better? Maybe not. But its not like you don't try.

Money will not stop South Carolina if Mike Boynton is their first choice. It will depend on whether he wants to leave or stay at OSU. Personally, I hope he stays. He's a great guy and a good fit for us.. We've stayed with him during his early years when any young coach has learning and growing pains. Now it's time to see if he can make us into a top tier program in the Big XII. If he can't, we'll move on, but we're certainly better off if he stays in my view.

forget money, just release him before Martin signs with somebody else!!

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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Three points:
- Boyntons total compensation is $3.0 million per year.
- a 75% coach's buyout on remaining base contract is squarely in the market for HC contracts. It goes to 44% after 2025, 25% after 2026.
- you can't claim the coach's buyout is unreasonable without first comparing it to the school's buyout. The school's buyout if we fire Boynton is 75%, 67% after 2025, 60% after 2026. The separate buyout clauses are there to protect both parties. Boynton got the better end of the deal.

BTW, Frank Martin is a punk. The way he treats his players is disgraceful. There's a long history. Can't believe he lasted this long.

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Nice post....thanks!

we can blame Holder for this dumb-assed contract as well....


Boynton said the contract was primarily negotiated by athletic director Mike Holder

https://www.yahoo.com/now/big-12-basketball-whats-mike-190312457.html

Apparently Sean Miller is the preferred choice by their fans but now being reported he will take the Rhode Island job. If Boynton leaves we need to back up the Brink' s Truck and bring Bill Self home to take us to the Final Four!

1slowpoke said:

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Apparently Archie Miller is the preferred choice by their fans but now being reported he will take the Rhode Island job. If Boynton leaves we need to back up the Brink' s Truck and bring Bill Self home to take us to the Final Four!

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I'll pass on Bill Self.

at this point bring on Doug G and let it roll.....

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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Nothing dumb about it, IMO.

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he's the highest paid in OSU history, and has done NOTHING... the last coach, the fans weren't complaining about his money, per se, they were complaining that he could only get us a one-n-done in the Big Dance, which they said wasn't good enough for that type of money.

now this clown gets more for doing much, much less because he's "woke", apparently.

SMH.

Remember the days when guys like Marcus Smart would stay an extra year because they loved OSU and wanted to go further in the Big Dance? and kids like Carroll and Watters stayed till the end, despite the coaching changes and fan nonsense.

now the kids can't wait to leave or enter the portal to get out of Stillwater.

actually... there is plenty dumb about it, speaking objectively.

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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A few facts and/or WIDELY held opinions

- Brad Underwood was our last coach, not Travis Ford
- Brad Underwood, if anyone at OSU, was responsible for our probation
- without probation, we'd be dancing this year
- Boyton has never had an impactful defection
- if you're a knucklehead, you can't play for Boyton or represent OSU
- every program going forward will likely have meaningful defections with the Portal.
- Boyton is the farthest thing from a "clown". His character, sense of responsibility, and support for the entire athletic program is in no way exceeded by any coach in Stillwater, maybe even the country.

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the only fact there is that Underwood was our most recent coach, but clearly I was talking about our last coach who the fans complained about (i.e., the Smart reference)... but you knew that - you're just being you again.

Underwood is not responsible for our probation, the coach who did it is. He was fired.

you have no clue whether we'd be dancing or not.... Florida beat us, and they just went one-n-done in the NIT. We sucked.

Yor Anei was not a knucklehead.... it's a long list excluding the knuckleheads.

We had defections BEFORE the portal.... and you cannot prove EVERY program will have meaningful defections, it's conjecture.

Boynton (there is a N in his name), Ford had more character, and did more for OSU and for the students and for the student athletes than Boynton ever has. Boynton is known for being woke, and wearing a towel over his shoulder long, long after even Patrick Ewing stopped wearing one, and also for telling other black coaches that they can wear racial gear because he was able to do it in whityville. (or whatever his dang insult quote was)

Ford brought Pizza's to the kids in line, he brought the players to the Union to meet with the Students, he did so much for OSU and for Men's basketball..... much more than woke Mike has done. Much more.

DOK - Travis Ford and Kurt Budke were always close. They shared stories, discussed schemes and attended each other's games

O'Colly - Oklahoma State basketball coach Travis Ford is raising awareness by getting soaked.
After completing the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge last week, Travis Ford raised awareness for OSU athletics' all sports pass at the Student Union on Tuesday by getting dropped into a dunk tank by students.
Ford heckled passing students into a few throws, most of which sent the basketball coach hurtling into the cold water below.
https://www.ocolly.com/news/collection_b18c4cda-2d4b-11e4-b1db-0017a43b2370.html

I personally love having Coach Boynton and would note he beat at least six teams that are in the dance this year so he seemingly must be able to coach! (That includes two number one seeds!)
IMO, he's perfect to be OSU'S coach and bring us some basketball stability and recruiting prominence.

I have a hard time paying attention to anyone who thinks Frank Martin is the answer for OSU basketball. I've heard him call his players names I wouldn't repeat in any company! The Mad Cuban is a spent force and has worn out his welcome at South Carolina and elsewhere. If he gets hired by anyone in D1 basketball at this point, I'll be shocked.

tulsasig said:

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I have a hard time paying attention to anyone who thinks Frank Martin is the answer for OSU basketball. I've heard him call his players names I wouldn't repeat in any company! The Mad Cuban is a spent force and has worn out his welcome at South Carolina and elsewhere. If he gets hired by anyone in D1 basketball at this point, I'll be shocked.

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Yep, I've set behind both the KSU and SCU benches in GIA and listened to Martin berate and cuss out his players in a disgraceful manner. I think it may have been worse while at KSU, but unacceptable nonetheless.

Martin is on the cbs broadcast crew and yesterday he was saying he taught Underwood right after Illinois took their first lead under a minute left to win. What BS and short sighted getting fired and out of tourney to say he taught Underwood right. He looks like a comic book bad guy with his bald head.

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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Dude, if you can get one, just one, frequent poster or staff member to agree that Ford had more character than Boynton, I'll get off this site forever.

Suggesting Ford, complete with his filthy bench mouth, having more character than Boynton is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard.

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ha, ha, ha....

a lecture from Gumby about character..... now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are.... ROTFLMAO

I think this is the point where Coach Knight gets up out of his chair and leaves the NCAA meeting, as Coach Samsung gets to the podium to give a lecture on "ethics"

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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Suggesting Ford, complete with his filthy bench mouth, having more character than Boynton is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard.

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Bill Conner once wrote:

Mr. Iba was no saint. He was a salty man's man who liked Scotch in moderation and had a wonderful wit that cracked up audiences of cronies on fishing trips or associates on plane flights or players during pregame talks.

He was a tough soul. They did not call him the Iron Duke for nothing. He was the quintessential taskmaster whose passion for discipline had no limit. He could deliver the most searing of tongue lashings during four-hour practices and burn the ears of a referee with whom he disagreed. His booming voice added to his intimidating presence.

I suppose you would also claim that Boynton has more character than Mr. Iba too.


you're wrong... you are always wrong.

GumbyFromPokeyLand said:

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Dude, if you can get one, just one, frequent poster or staff member to agree that Ford had more character than Boynton, I'll get off this site forever.

Suggesting Ford, complete with his filthy bench mouth, having more character than Boynton is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard.

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That's right, I almost forgot. Ford called one of his players a "f….ing idiot" on national tv and in front of thousands of OSU fans and families. The AD had a talk with Ford about this and other "language" incidents. Not high character stuff.

and what did the AD say to Mr. Iba?

Character is made up of many things...

hmmm I wonder how many so called "low character coaches" have embarrassed a player on national television?

hint - there are more than a few, and many are in the HOF