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Holder's Contributions Great, but New Culture is Needed and That is Weiberg's Task

June 30, 2021
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STILLWATER – The last two days Pokes Report has outlined the glowing achievements of Oklahoma State University athletic director Mike Holder. The golf coach that delivered eight NCAA National Championships crossed over and made the future changing move of bringing his billionaire friend, capital investor, and hedge fund chief T. Boone Pickens to the rescue of the athletic department. That allowed Holder to sway others to assist the dream of catching OSU up to some of its’ rivals in college athletics. Oklahoma State University athletics has a completely changed landscape as a result. As a sharp coach that may not have created a lot of life long relationships with his athletes, but did know how to push buttons and ran a disciplined program, Holder was often able to see the traits needed and made a higher percentage of good hires in coaching than unsuccessful hires.

Nobody is perfect. I’ve seen athletic directors at some schools raise plenty of funds but make dreadful decisions when hiring coaches. I’ve seen others that made great hires but fell short in the financial area and never gave the coaches and their programs the tools they needed for success. Then there is the overall culture and atmosphere of an athletic department. Just like coaches in individual sports set the tone and the culture in their programs with their athletes. I look at the athletic director as the person most responsible for the overall attitude in the athletic department.

From observations as a media member that has covered Oklahoma State athletics off and, mostly, on for 37-years and from sources I have cultivated, many sources, I feel like I have always had a good read on the attitudes and vibes in the athletic department.

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Holder started out as a big supporter of football and Gundy.

When Mike Holder first took over as the athletic director and vice-president of athletics there was a real excitement. How could there not be? The promise of an athletic department that for the most part ran on a shoestring budget having some capital was exciting. Holder in golf and baseball, under Gary Ward and Tom Holliday, had gone out and secured their own money resulting in their programs being funded much more competitive than the others.

Holder started with football. He told head coach Mike Gundy that he would give him what he needed to be competitive. Holder fully understood and talked about how when football was successful the entire athletic department could be successful as a result.

Oklahoma State football with Gundy, his staff, and players energized with new facilities and a larger budget won like the school had never won in football previously. There have been 15 straight winning seasons, 15 straight bowl games, four New Year’s Day bowls, a Big 12 Championship, and six double-digit win seasons in that time.  

Unfortunately, there have been events since then that have fractured Holder and the alliance that started so strong with football and Gundy. The contract with basketball coach Travis Ford was the first blow. Gundy secured Jimmy Sexton to represent him in his negotiations and that set off a mini feud. 

Since then, the relationship has suffered periodically and many times it would be built back. Holder’s attitude that football costs; especially the size of football staff, support staff, and the salaries in the department; were out of control has been a constant crack in the relationship between the West End Zone and the athletic center. More recently, Holder has pitted the department against football. That comes from a variety of individuals that work on both ends of the athletic department.

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Limited crowds inside Boone Pickens Stadium during the pandemic caused financial shortfall.

It is not all Holder’s fault, but the pandemic did a lot of damage to attitudes in athletics. Holder, a devout believer in pay as you go, did not broach any rainy day or emergency money to help offset the loss of revenue from COVID-19. Instead, employees took pay cuts ranging as high as 20 percent and those have stayed in effect through June 30 (today) and the end of the fiscal year. The assistant football coaches under contract offered close to 20 percent that included their bowl bonus, Holder originally accepted but came back and said it was not enough. The coaches continued to offer but it was refused. The whole scenario set up a football versus the rest of the coaching community inside the athletic department disconnect. It is July 1 and the new regime of Chad Weiberg as athletic director that department paychecks will go back to full salary. That issue is among others that will need repair.

While fund raising has stayed mostly successful, Oklahoma State has not been in a leadership role in the Big 12 Conference or NCAA overall. Holder has been on the NCAA Golf Committee, served as chairman twice, but, with the exception of a few other administrators and President Burns Hargis, they have not had positions on critical NCAA committees.

Football season tickets have gone up and the athletic department operating budget when Holder took over in 2006 of close to $55-million is now close to $100-million. The most recent numbers from 2018-19 school year show that Oklahoma State made a slight profit in athletics with revenue of over $95-million and expenditures just below. We all know that the pandemic and COVID-19 created a financial disaster in the past year, but numbers pulled from a report filed with the NCAA for the 2018-19 school year showed that football had revenue of $52.2-million and expenditures of $24.3-million. Football brought in $27.9-million for the rest of the athletic department.

Holder has helped so many sports with new facilities. Those are fabulous and state-of-the-art buildings and stadiums. Those facilities, in some cases, have come with constant threats of what might happen if team performance is not successful. It is fine for expectations to increase but coaches don’t even need subtle reminders. Competing is what these people do. Let’s just say the bedside manner of the athletic director has not always been appreciated. There are several coaches in the department that are staunch Holder disciples, but there are more that are anticipating the breath of fresh air that will be experienced with Weiberg taking over.

Holder was not happy about the change either and has told some that he wanted to stay on as athletic director. That has created frustration as well. Change is often difficult and this one has been.

Robert Allen - Pokes Report
Chad Weiberg has vision and will be a fresh change in the leadership of the athletic department.

There are problems to solve, one of the first is how to offset the revenue shortfall from the past fiscal year. Another is to set the tone for the future of Oklahoma State athletics as campus leadership changes with both new President Dr. Kayse Shrum and Weiberg taking over.

Chad Weiberg comes at this job of athletic director with a different background, a long career of experience in administration, fund raising, and supporting coaches rather than constantly critiquing them. It will be different and I’m told by a number of people involved, it is a change they welcome. Mike Holder leaves the position with the thanks he richly deserves for making massive forever changes to the landscape of Oklahoma State athletics.

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Holder's Contributions Great, but New Culture is Needed and That is Weiberg's Task

5,604 Views | 16 Replies | Last: 3 yr ago by CaliforniaCowboy
CanadianCowboy
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Thank you for your candidness, Robert. It is well-appreciated (by this Cowboy alum, anyway). I am grateful for the dedication and hard work by Mike Holder to alter the trajectory of O-State sports, but I am also looking forward to the change in administration and the potential for a positive change in the culture from TBP Stadium and northward through the Athletics Village.
CaliforniaCowboy
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I guess I'm not following along... Boynton just got paid the most of any BB coach ever... DURING THE PANDEMIC, and without doing anything exceptional. (less than the prior coaches).

Is that not "supporting coaches"? Coach B got everything he ever asked for, and then some.

you seem to be suggesting that AD Chad's culture won't be fiscally responsible, and will kowtow to the employees (coaches), and possibly run up the debt again. How can you "support coaches" without money?

What new culture are you talking about? Coaches don't have to be accountable now? (wasn't that the dig on Holder - he expected results?)

I guess there are things that you just can't say (in your position), but talking around supposed problems and taking a potshot at Holder on his way out the door seems to cheapen the story.

Fortunately the pandemic is over, the economy is recovering and hopefully AD Chad can take advantage of that bring in some big money fast.

tulsasig
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New culture?? Really?? Mike Holder brought a culture of excellence to the Athletic Department and to OSU. He has supported and demanded excellence of everyone, including himself. It hasn't always been easy, and not everyone has agreed with him. He has made mistakes - no leader bats 1.000. But, Mike Holder has raised the bar for everyone and has never shied away from stretching to be the best. The Athletic Department is an order of magnitude stronger and better due to Mike Holder's leadership. His record speaks for itself, and Chad Weiberg knows he has some mighty big shoes to fill.
CaliforniaCowboy
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yeah, I also thought that was an unfortunate choice of words for what should probably be called new attitude. I supposed it that attitude involves more partnership with the coaches, and less unilateral authority, then that would probably be considered a culture change... but I certainly hope that is not what was being suggested in the article.

CanadianCowboy
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Oh whatever....

You guys know (or should) that a working culture must involve the staff. Yes, Holder instilled a culture of excellence, and that will continue - there was too much in the way of positive results and achievement resulting from it that it would not continue as a key part of the culture. But culture must evolve, and there is certainly a need to change the trajectory of management style on the part of the AD to kickstart the next step change for O-State Athletics. If not, the coaching staff (which is excellent and has yielded results that are excellent) will not be steeped in the loyalty that we have come to expect. It happens all to often in the business world that good people leave because of stifling, overbearing management - and I believe the same is true for many (most?) coaching changes in which a coach chooses to leave for another opportunity, Nobody said Holder was the devil incarnate, but it is widely felt that a little fresh air and change in management style is not a bad thing at all.
tulsasig
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I repeat, Chad Weiberg has some mighty big shoes to fill.
CanadianCowboy
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No doubt, not even in question. But I do believe Weiburg has the skills and dedication to bring even more success to O-State Athletics, while building his own legacy of excellence.
CaliforniaCowboy
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CanadianCowboy said:

No doubt, not even in question. But I do believe Weiburg has the skills and dedication to bring even more success to O-State Athletics, while building his own legacy of excellence.
I think some of you are way over-playing this, starting with the original article above.

Holder hired the guy, for gosh sakes, and he's been here for a while already - it's not like he's been hired new to start out fresh and revamp our programs.

I'll be absolutely shocked if things don't continue on pretty much business as usual.

CanadianCowboy
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I'm not sure what you see I'm overplaying.... I recognize that Holder has done great things. I also think that a change in leadership can be a good thing. I don't see wholesale seachange in culture, but I do see a bump-change in leadership trajectory with Wieburg and I think he will be rooted in the good things of O-State history while bringing his own positive contributions.

Radical change to the culture? No.
Same ol' same ol'? No.
We will all continue to recognize the O-State culture with a bit of a fresh way of doing business.
Good thing? Yes.
tulsasig
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Chad Weiberg is a nice guy. I wish him well.
CaliforniaCowboy
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perhaps you're correct... please point out the change in culture when it happens.

thanks.

CanadianCowboy
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LOL....will do!

Hope you're having a great Independence Day - we took our long holiday road trip to Stillwater this year, staying for the Boomer Blast fireworks show tonight before heading back to La Porte in the morning by way of some authentic Italian at Pete's Place in Krebs...
CaliforniaCowboy
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safe travels
Zen
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Robert, how well do you know Mike Holder?
I shared classes with Holder starting our freshman year in 1966. We both lived in Kerr Hall my sophomore year and shared a mutual friend there.
Your article was interesting because from my perspective I always wanted Holder to hold his coaches more accountable than he did. I wrote to Holder complaining that Frank Anderson was not doing a good enough job as baseball coach and it did not take long for Holder to move past Anderson. The golf team did not qualify for the NCAA tournament for the first time in program history and Holder fired the golf coach at the end of that season. I think coaches making crazy, inflated salaries at any university need to be reminded that they are expected to win. Holder raised the bar on OSU athletics. The man deserves to have the athletic village named after him for what he has accomplished at OSU. That's my take on him. You presented a picture of Holder that I was not familiar with. It does not tarnish his legacy. We can find fault with anyone if we want to. No one is perfect. Holder will always be remembered for his blunder with the Travis Ford contract extension. It was a terrible hire in the first place even without the extension. But this is the time to honor the man who loved OSU more than anyone we know of. A boss will always have some disgruntled employees. Gundy is probably the biggest one even though he is so overpaid.
CanadianCowboy
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Zen - perhaps I am misreading between the lines in your post, but it sounds like you take issue with RA fairly pointing out areas in which your former classmate didn't shine, then deflected to your dissatisfaction with our FB coach.

I didn't see anywhere that Mike Holder wasn't honored for the effort and dedication and results delivered to O-State. Perhaps you didn't see the previous articles that RA did that highlighted all of Holder's positives and great achievements at O-State. But, as you stated, no leader is perfect and Robert's article that you referenced was the counterbalance in reporting of what Holder didn't excel at. I thought it was very fair and an acknowledgement that a change in leadership can precipitate a positive step change in results - and I truly believe that O-State is setting up to do just that, not only in athletics but in academics and administration.

You ended your post with arrows shot at our FB coach by saying Mike Gundy is disgruntled and overpaid. I don't see that Gundy is disgruntled. With the high-ego results-driven personalities that all coaches (and Holder was/is a coach at heart), there are few that agree point-by-point on how to achieve high results. THAT is the dynamic I saw between Gundy & Holder. I also saw many instances where they were sitting together, talking about whatever in a very relaxed manner - that doesn't happen with "disgruntled" bosses & employees. So...disgruntled? No. Lockstep in agreement on how to achieve high performance? Also no. And in this I tend to be a step over the line toward Gundy because Holder was public in his complaint about under-recruiting yet was more focused on facilities than resources (recruiting budget $) to fuel the results he publicly complained about.

You say Gundy is overpaid. By what standard? Yours? I think we all believe that those with 7+-digit incomes are "overpaid". But isn't it the market that defines the compensation scale? Is Gundy overpaid relative to his peers in the market? No - Gundy's results vs other head coaches compares favorably in most categories. Could Gundy's results be better? Absolutely. But isn't that the essence of high performance and continual improvement, always reaching and planning and performing to an ever-escalating scale of performance?
CaliforniaCowboy
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Zen - interesting commentary. I agree with you about Holder, his legacy, and the misconception by many about what I call fabricated issues (i.e., media or social media perceptions, far removed from the typical fan).

I would throw your comments about Ford in that same category. Many of the issues that are talked about with Ford are fabricated, or IMO, are unfairly held against him, and not the same standards on this current coach. Ford achieved much, much more than Boyntoy through 4 years, than Coach B, and Ford's 5th year was his best.

It went downhill from there, because the social media (and media) had turned against him - blaming him for anything and everything, to the point where he couldn't even recruit players to OSU as a lame duck.

Holder deserves much better than he is being treated. The new guy hasn't done anything, and he's being held up like the next coming of AD's.
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