Dave Wannstadt, Former OSU Asst. and College /NFL Head Coach Details OSU in Realignment

Well, this report is the least promising of any you've posted yet. What schools would get embarrassed by us? We could beat any of them on any given day right now, but of the schools I'd consider the power players out west I don't think we really would curb stomp any of them right now.

Sounds more and more like were going to left out of any new conf. Were in big trouble.

I keep being concerned the west coast will be worried about other cultural/political embarrassment more than our sports offerings. Oklahoma is viewed as the exact opposite of a liberal, woke population. Universities tend to be liberal bastions, especially on the entire PAC west coast.

a report that is from a meeting a week ago, and PRIOR TO the alignment announcement, where the B1G members were claiming what the Pac12 was going to do?

I'm going to call BS on this report. 1) it's a week late and new news has emerged, and 2) B1G folks talking about what some other conference might do, when that conference itself is pretty much saying we like our format

I guess we'll see... seemingly nonsense articles like this are not really helpful.

Just a case of Wannstadt wanting to talk big on the radio, so he threw out the same old rumors.

I do think its concerning that the PAC seems opposed to actually having viable football, yet still have and want a seat at the big boy table. They should go ahead and drop to FCS and get out of the way.

NJAggie said:

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I do think its concerning that the PAC seems opposed to actually having viable football, yet still have and want a seat at the big boy table. They should go ahead and drop to FCS and get out of the way.

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Pac12 football is perfectly "viable"... you're sounding a bit like an East Coast SEC media bigot with that statement.

in the last Bowl series... the Pac went 0-2, not surprislingly losing to ISU and Texas.

the ACC, however, went 0-6.

in 2019-2020 (non COVID), the Pac went 4-3 - beating Boise, Illinois, Florida State and Wisconsin

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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NJAggie said:

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I do think its concerning that the PAC seems opposed to actually having viable football, yet still have and want a seat at the big boy table. They should go ahead and drop to FCS and get out of the way.

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Pac12 football is perfectly "viable"... you're sounding a bit like an East Coast SEC media bigot with that statement.

in the last Bowl series... the Pac went 0-2, not surprislingly losing to ISU and Texas.

the ACC, however, went 0-6.

in 2019-2020 (non COVID), the Pac went 4-3 - beating Boise, Illinois, Florida State and Wisconsin

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I guess it all depends on your definition of viable.

Right now nobody can commit to anything until the hammer falls and you get clarity on when the official break occurs with Texas and Zero U. Until you know when they officially begin competition as SEC members competing against other SEC schools every body is in a holding pattern, including unfortunately the existing BIG XII. I could see the PAC 12 putting out some very generic politically correct statement about exploring all options with regard to future expansion but being non committal, because again everyone is in a holding pattern.

Joe Khatib said:

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Right now nobody can commit to anything until the hammer falls and you get clarity on when the official break occurs with Texas and Zero U. Until you know when they officially begin competition as SEC members competing against other SEC schools every body is in a holding pattern, including unfortunately the existing BIG XII. I could see the PAC 12 putting out some very generic politically correct statement about exploring all options with regard to future expansion but being non committal, because again everyone is in a holding pattern.

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You may very well see that because I think everyone except OU/UT and their new sec brethren want to see them pay the exit fee.

Also if the moves are not going to be to take at least 6 schools out of the remaining 8 then they'd be up for the exit fee as well. So moves can't really be announced until the little 2 leave, or the 2024-5 school year is done and the GoR has expired.

Which complicates matters of trying to build to stay together if everyone is still cutting their deals.

ONJAggie said:

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Joe Khatib said:

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Right now nobody can commit to anything until the hammer falls and you get clarity on when the official break occurs with Texas and Zero U. Until you know when they officially begin competition as SEC members competing against other SEC schools every body is in a holding pattern, including unfortunately the existing BIG XII. I could see the PAC 12 putting out some very generic politically correct statement about exploring all options with regard to future expansion but being non committal, because again everyone is in a holding pattern.

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You may very well see that because I think everyone except OU/UT and their new sec brethren want to see them pay the exit fee.

Also if the moves are not going to be to take at least 6 schools out of the remaining 8 then they'd be up for the exit fee as well. So moves can't really be announced until the little 2 leave, or the 2024-5 school year is done and the GoR has expired.

Which complicates matters of trying to build to stay together if everyone is still cutting their deals.

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Zero U is looking at a 209 million dollar debt, as reported by Robert, and they really can't leave early unless their Daddy Texas were to throw them a lifeline and pay out their portion of the penalty to leave early.

anybody and everybody can commit to anything right now. At worst, OU/UT stated that they would begin play in the SEC in the 2026 season (just when the B12 GoR ends )

That is official.... set in stone announced.

I also came across this, but I haven't confirmed the information:

The Withdraw Process


This is where it gets technical. Following the announcement of OU and Texas that they do not intend to renew the Grant of Rights agreement, OSU President Dr. Kayse Shrum (and other Big 12 presidents) released a statement that included the language:

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"We believe these conversations, which developed over a long period of time, are in clear breach of the bylaws of the Big 12 Conference and broke a bond of trust between our universities in existence for decades."

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Clearly this is a nod to Bylaw 3.2(ii)(A) that states a "Withdraw" from the conference shall be deemed to have occurred when:

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"a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors by affirmative vote determines that such Member: (A) makes statements or takes actions that are determined by a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors to evidence the intent of such Member to withdraw from the Conference either currently or in the future"

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I am unsure if OU/Texas anticipated this result at this time, but it now means that the other Members (which in their discretion they have the right to do) are going to formally declare OU and Texas "Withdrawing Members" from the conference and triggering the buyout clause of Bylaw 3.4.
Following the declaration that Members are Withdrawing, the Effective Date of the withdraw is set for

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"The "Effective Date" of the Withdrawal shall be the June 30 that next follows the end of the period that is 18 full calendar months following the Notice Date,

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Meaning in this case June 30, 2023.

The Buyout and other Remedies
(read more)
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/osajk4/guide_to_big_12_bylaws_remedies_of_other_8/

CaliforniaCowboy said:

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anybody and everybody can commit to anything right now. At worst, OU/UT stated that they would begin play in the SEC in the 2026 season (just when the B12 GoR ends )

That is official.... set in stone announced.

I also came across this, but I haven't confirmed the information:

The Withdraw Process


This is where it gets technical. Following the announcement of OU and Texas that they do not intend to renew the Grant of Rights agreement, OSU President Dr. Kayse Shrum (and other Big 12 presidents) released a statement that included the language:

Quote:

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"We believe these conversations, which developed over a long period of time, are in clear breach of the bylaws of the Big 12 Conference and broke a bond of trust between our universities in existence for decades."

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Clearly this is a nod to Bylaw 3.2(ii)(A) that states a "Withdraw" from the conference shall be deemed to have occurred when:

Quote:

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"a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors by affirmative vote determines that such Member: (A) makes statements or takes actions that are determined by a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors to evidence the intent of such Member to withdraw from the Conference either currently or in the future"

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I am unsure if OU/Texas anticipated this result at this time, but it now means that the other Members (which in their discretion they have the right to do) are going to formally declare OU and Texas "Withdrawing Members" from the conference and triggering the buyout clause of Bylaw 3.4.
Following the declaration that Members are Withdrawing, the Effective Date of the withdraw is set for

Quote:

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"The "Effective Date" of the Withdrawal shall be the June 30 that next follows the end of the period that is 18 full calendar months following the Notice Date,

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Meaning in this case June 30, 2023.

The Buyout and other Remedies
(read more)
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/osajk4/guide_to_big_12_bylaws_remedies_of_other_8/

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Well a good reason not to rely on the abstracting of the folks on Reddit. The author misses the very important parts of the by-laws that state a school can withdraw after they have paid the exit fee, but that does not remove the GoR. So yes they could quit participating in Big XII sports after they pay the fee. However, they couldn't broadcast any of the games they play except through the Big XII or by paying the BIg XII any moneys they would receive from such broadcasts. If they attempt to do this that is when the damages you speak of above are actionable. So they're basically stuck in the Big XII until the GoR expires.

Section 3.4 speaks to my point. Once a school announces their withdrawal there revenue distributions are on hold until the fee has been paid. So no money for OU or UT until $80M each has been collected which would be part way into year 3. So OU better be calling their bankers, or maybe take it to the voters of the state and beg for money to support their greed and pretensions.

Big Dave doubles down and has some nice things to say about OSU.

https://www.cameo.com/v/6127186280946d001dff798c

lol... doubles down on saying nothing..... that guy is an idiot

" I don't have any facts..." .... "but I know for a fact"... LOL

sounds like he's made that after cocktail hour.

hold your breath fellas.... the Pac12 is gonna make an announcement any time now... LOL geez.