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Kansas Judgement and Penalties Come Down and Aren't Close to Cowboys' Punishment

October 11, 2023
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STILLWATER – The decison and punsihment is out and Oklahoma State, which sat out the 2022 postseason, both the Big 12 Postseason Tournament and the NCAAand/or NIT Tournament for a violation initially deemed Level II, now sees the “blue blood” University of Kansas program, which had initially five level one violations as interpreted from actual FBI wiretaps and investigation get off like the Jayhawks were caught jay walking.

The NCAA’s Independent Accountability Review Process (IARP), a new form of NCAA ajudication formed to speed up the process, actually took longer than normal with the KU decison. Their decision led to a downgrade in the severity of the five Level I allegations against the program, down to Level II. The IARP panel gave Kansas a three-year probation, with no effect on the program’s postseason status.

On the surface it looks like Kansas operated a criminal ring of illegalities in their recruiting and got a slap on the wrist (or wing). Oklahoma State made one payment to a current player, not a recruit, that was completely paid back and the player sat out a suspension. The Cowboys got the single season version of a death sentence.

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Bill Self, no further penalties.

Two Kansas coaches were named in the investigation including head coach Bill Self, who was initially charged with a Level I violation and was suspended for four games last season. Now the charge for the Hall of Fame coach was reduced to a Level III violation and no additional penalties. Assistant coach Kurtis Townsend, who was suspended four games last year as well, had his charges reduced from Level I to a Level II and a Level III violation, with no additional penalties. Neither coach faces a show-cause order, which could have been applicable for Level I violations.

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Boynton and Weiberg meeting with the media after the NCAA released final penalties for OSU basketball.

We quickly checked with Oklahoma State University and in particular with athletics director Chad Weiberg and head basketball coach Mike Boynton for a reaction to the Kansas decision and penalties with regard to direct comparison with the punishment that Oklahoma State received in the fall of 2020 and th ultimate final decision in November of 2021 leading to the 2021-22 Oklahoma State team knowing they could not participate in postseason.

Weiberg responded fairly quickly with an “off the record” opinion, while Boynton did not respond. A member of the Oklahoma State University atheltic media relations staff, basketball contact Bryan Holmgren said there were ongoing discussions on whether there would be a response and how that would be crafted.

Later that afternoon there was an official response for Oklahoma State University athletics.

They responded that day back in Nov. of 2021, very emphatically.

“This was about trying to save face for something that was uncovered not because of their doing,” Cowboy basketball coach Mike Boynton said of the FBI’s investigation that discovered  improprieties involving several other college basketball assistants like then OSU assistant Lamont Evans. “And now our cooperation has made it worse for guys like Isaac Likekele who was nowhere near Stillwater when this was happening.”

Evans was fired immediately after the allegations were made and charges were filed.

“To use this flawed and inconsistent process to take away the opportunity for postseason and the NCAA Tournament from student-athletes that had nothing whatsoever to do with this case,” Weiberg said, “proves to me that the national office has chosen to weaponize the NCAA Tournament against the very membership that has turned it into the lifeblood of the NCAA.”

Weiberg also openly questioned whether schools under NCAA investigation should cooperate with the process, which Oklahoma State completely did in this process.

The Kansas case is the final one resulting from the 2017 FBI investigation into corruption in college basketball. That process resulted in major violations in no fewer than eight programs including Louisville, Arizona, LSU, and others. It also is the final act by the IARP as the process has been considered too cumbersom and inefficient. The process used outside sources to serve as judge and jury on NCAA violations. My contention is it would work if not for the idiocy of the rules and the organization in cases just like this.

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Kansas Judgement and Penalties Come Down and Aren't Close to Cowboys' Punishment

3,886 Views | 7 Replies | Last: 1 yr ago by RodeoPoke
RodeoPoke
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that's a pretty lame one-sided lopsided story.....

how about the fact that KU chose to go through arbitration, and OSU chose to take on the NCAA infractions committee? How about the fact that the NCAA appeals committee CHANGED THE RULE about post season bans, AFTER OSU had already been sanctioned, which led to KU and others not having to suffer through what OSU got.

How about if OSU went through either process now, it would not lead to post season ban.

Obviously KU and the other schools got off lighter by going through the arbitration process.

I don't know why the appeals committee would not rescind the post season ban against OSU, since the rules had since changed, but it is what it is.

and it's ancient history - we all already knew that those sanctions would not levied against KU, because the other schools skated as well.

half a decade later, this is pretty much a non-story.
missouripoke
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All in your so-called opinion of course. Have a good day.
Orangeheart72
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I figured KU wouldn't suffer much or any as bluebloods seem to have always escaped much discipline. I remember I think it was Woody Hayes talking one time about cars for their players at tOSU and they handled it legally by just selling them cheap! (Like a few dollars if I recall). Also in this case, NIL has hit the NCAA teams in a manner during this investigation that makes KU's payoffs seem almost trivial. It's a much different world today. As said before, OSU chose the wrong route and the timing was not in the Cowboys favor!
LS1Z28
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Tennessee football had 18 level 1 violations and got no postseason ban.
Kansas basketball had 5 level 1 violations and got no postseason ban.
Oklahoma State basketball had 1 level 1 violation and got a postseason ban.

The only reason KU's level 1 violations were downgraded is because they don't want them to miss the NCAA Tournament. Banning a blueblood from postseason would lead to less money.

The NCAA is a corrupt joke. We should never cooperate with one of their investigations again. Any notice of allegations should be fought tooth and nail in a courtroom.
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Orangeheart72 said:

I figured KU wouldn't suffer much or any as bluebloods seem to have always escaped much discipline. I remember I think it was Woody Hayes talking one time about cars for their players at tOSU and they handled it legally by just selling them cheap! (Like a few dollars if I recall). Also in this case, NIL has hit the NCAA teams in a manner during this investigation that makes KU's payoffs seem almost trivial. It's a much different world today. As said before, OSU chose the wrong route and the timing was not in the Cowboys favor!
Thank Mike Holder for that foray into stupidity!!!
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Quite honestly, I'm surprised. No, not at the lack of penalties levied against KU, but that OSU didn't receive further sanctions because Self attended OSU.
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RodeoPoke
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missouripoke said:

All in your so-called opinion of course. Have a good day.
actually, I don't think I posted anything that is my opinion, except my opinion that I thought the story was one-sided.... I didn't see anything from you showing how the story is not one-sided.

This has all been reported previously, multiple times (except the final verdict, which is pretty much as was predicted by multiple sources based on prior similar outcomes)

have a good day back.

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